Circle kiting needs to be nerfed

[Thatt]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could be wrong, but I don't think social aggro works like that unless you were sitting. You get added to the mob's hate list if you are sitting, fighting a similar faction mob (tiger), or buff the bard. Otherwise you shouldn't get social aggro.

My guild uses these mechanics to run to certain parts of some dungeons. The monk runs ahead, gets aggro, and trains the mobs while other people run right through the mobs, but they gain no aggro since the monk has aggro. The monk then flops, and the other players have gotten where they need to be past mobs without any aggro on them.

In my example, I said I was fighting a similar faction mob, the tiger.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Thatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my example, I said I was fighting a similar faction mob, the tiger.

Ah yes, I did not read correctly.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Thatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem isn't that the bards are taking all the mobs, it's that they regularly kill people. You're fighting a tiger, bard runs by with a thousand tigers- just close enough to pass that social aggro on to you, then bard dies, and a thousand tigers make a bee line for you. I haven't seen the problem on red yet because the population is low, but I've been killed in that manner on blue many times.. technically it's training.

And saying "who cares, overthere is a stupid place to level" is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Training is against the rules. Why would they consider adding a new rule if the problem is already covered by an existing rule? Only lawyers and politicians engage in this kind of behavior.

[Thatt]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is against the rules. Why would they consider adding a new rule if the problem is already covered by an existing rule? Only lawyers and politicians engage in this kind of behavior.

I didn't read this whole thread, frankly I don't care enough, but based on the title "circle kiting needs to be nerfed" I thought it was a discussion about nerfing bards ability to train people in this manner on the scale that they do- not a discussion about making it against the rules to do so.

[myriverse]

The complaint is not about training at all. It's just about getting mobs. The OP was crying because there aren't enough mobs for him, even though there really are.

If it were just a training issue, there would be nothing new to add. If a bard trains you, it's not really their ability to kite that's the problem.

[Skinned]

It sucks really really bad but not a nerfing matter. It is more of an indirect griefing (sp?) than anything.

[Shatford]

Bard's, if engaging in mass-pulling, should be courteous enough to do it in a manner that has the least negative effect on others. They shouldn't have to be sent a tell--people using bard AE-kiting should anticipate a negative reaction if not leaving enough mobs for others to fight. Saying "oh just peel the mobs off my train" is a forcing others to adopt to the bards' strategy and timing rather than their own. If you have trouble understanding why people might get upset over these things, well it probably means you're a selfish dick. It's not hard to be courteous to people in this game and anticipate when you're going to be negatively affecting someone's game experience. "No really, I thought people would be ok with logging in, sitting down and watching me train the zone around. They should just enjoy how awesome I am." Go kill yourself.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Shatford [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard's, if engaging in mass-pulling, should be courteous enough to do it in a manner that has the least negative effect on others. They shouldn't have to be sent a tell--people using bard AE-kiting should anticipate a negative reaction if not leaving enough mobs for others to fight. Saying "oh just peel the mobs off my train" is a forcing others to adopt to the bards' strategy and timing rather than their own. If you have trouble understanding why people might get upset over these things, well it probably means you're a selfish dick. It's not hard to be courteous to people in this game and anticipate when you're going to be negatively affecting someone's game experience. "No really, I thought people would be ok with logging in, sitting down and watching me train the zone around. They should just enjoy how awesome I am." Go kill yourself.

bards are pretty awesome doh

[Dizey]

You do realize that what you're saying is that bards should have to adjust what they are doing to accommodate others, but those same people shouldn't have to communicate, compromise, or adjust to accommodate the bards in order to resolve the situation.

Yes, bards should be courteous to groups/players that they observe in the zone, and they should make an effort to leave mobs up in their vicinities, but they can't see or anticipate everything/everyone, so communication is important. If you can't be bothered to take a moment and communicate with the bard in question in order to reasonably resolve your grievance, then that's on you, not the bard.

[Bristlebard]

So far leveling my bard 1-26, AEing in WC, NK, EK, SK, OT, and FV, I've never seen anyone complain about bards, even when there were 2-3 in the zone at a time. I have seen one bard inviting others to leech xp off of an AE pull though.

Forum drama seems to be greatly overstating the "problem" with bards AEing ingame.