Best class to duo with Cleric?

[VincentVolaju]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

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[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey all thanks for the replies, I kind of figured Enchanter would be the best one all around however Ive got an Enchanter on Red and don't really have much desire to roll another one. The Mage sounded pretty nice and laid back, and I am actually considering that if I don't got a melee.

However like someone mentioned earlier, I am a bit established with $$$ on the server since I been here a while. Not super rich but Ive got a fungi, cof and random odds and ends, so I just figured it would make sense to make use out of those types of items, which is why I figured Warrior at first.

Main concern with the warrior though is there not being any snap aggro and tanking apparently is pretty difficult as a warrior because of it? I remember when grouping with warriors before, the rogue or someone would pull aggro and the warrior would just be yelling "stop attacking! give me a minute!!!" while praying to get a weapon proc lol. I suppose in a duo aggro wouldnt be much of an issue, however once we start grouping, wouldnt it be come a problem?

Also little side question, do warriors get much better in velious, or kind of stay the same?

A Warrior with Fungi and CoF isn't even going to need a Cleric until level 40 or so. Your Cleric friend will probably be bored stiff until then, and by the 40s and 50s the Cleric/Warrior duo really starts to lose effectiveness (higher mob HP) and you'll need to start forming groups anyway.

The Warrior is really solid come Velious, but that only matters if you intend to take him all the way to 60 and gear him up. It sounded like you just wanted a character to enjoy leveling with your friend, though, which changes the calculus a bit. If you aren't for sure going to beeline to 60, I think the Warrior loses a lot of appeal. Say you get bogged down in level 54 and start to get bored with the character. What can you do with a level 54 Warrior? Not a whole hell of a lot. How about a 54 Mage, though? Perfect to park at Seafuries or any number of money camps to jump on when you're bored, or use to PL friends with.

Basically, the Warrior really has nothing to offer except endgame raid tanking. If you aren't shooting for that, there's no point playing one since they aren't really good for much else.

[Raev]

If you want to get your lady off in a corner by yourselves, than as mentioned Enchanter is the best choice by a large margin. 2nd best is probably Mage, although that puts a lot more pressure on her to CC/root etc. If you wish to play a melee class, there is a reason everyone and their brother has a monk. With self haste and cheap weapons monks do far more damage than warriors.

That said, I feel like people answer the 'best duo' question far too narrowly. For example, ROG/CLR is a completely reasonable duo imo. Sure, you'll suck balls by yourselves. But you fill your friends list with all the good enchanters and bards and tanks you meet and go from there. Since Cleric is such a great group class, really anything would work if you are willing to put in a little time with /who.

P.S. IMO Vex Warriors are still the best group tanks. Unfortunately a) getting good gear is very difficult and b) people are completely unwilling to stop facerolling their keyboards in order to mitigate their mediocre threat. Enchanters need to blur or root, shamans need to either tank a bit or hold off on slow, etc. If you can get gear and train your groupmates adequately, Warriors provide the best dps (inb4 some moron talks about how tank DPS is pointless, a 6-man group with a well-geared warrior will do 10% more damage than one with a Paladin or SK) and also have discs for boss mobs.

[Mistle]

Warrior is probably the second WORST option (after paladin) for duo. Almost everything would be better. Only thing warrior has going for it in a duo is the mana effectiveness of complete heal.

But if the eye is towards full groups later it would be fine, and no nonsense hybrid penalties either.

Still, the correct answer is enchanter.

[VincentVolaju]

Yeah not really leaning towards Warrior much anymore after reading most of the replies haha. Enchanter/Mage wouldn't be bad, but Id really prefer a melee class because I want to make use of a lot of the twink items I currently have like Fungi, CoF, HP items etc.

So if not warrior and not Int caster, then maybe an SK? Ranger perhaps?


Edit: Also wanted to add it will mostly be just a duo, though wouldn't mind getting in full groups from time to time when leveling in dungeons. Not really considering raiding / lvl 60 end game any time soon, at least not until a while after Velious is out. That's partly why I figured Warrior wasn't that great of an idea after, cause not really focusing on getting 60 asap, rather just casual duo leveling, and grouping sometimes.

[coki]

I want to make use of a lot of the twink items I currently have like Fungi, CoF, HP items etc

you have those items but don't know what are the best or better 2 classes to duo with ?

[VincentVolaju]

Originally Posted by coki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have those items but don't know what are the best or better 2 classes to duo with ?

I know that the 2 best classes that everyones mentioned to duo with, are the ones I mentioned I didn't want to use because of having to flip the twink items I already have, thus the melee questions. Ive never done a melee 50+ aside for a Monk, and don't want to do a Monk because of that. I've got no experience with War/Sk/Ranger/Rogue/Pally etc. which is why I made the post to get opinions from people who do have experience in those classes or maybe to find something out I didn't already know about some kind of synergy with a cleric, who knows.

[kaev]

What do you mean by best? Ranger+Cleric is great for fun, can kill lots of stuf, can build a group if you want one, can survive amazingly well while killing stuff. Paladin/Shadowknight/Warrior + Cleric is great group builder, Warrior probably best if you plan to mostly duo because better damage output than the knights (tho I'd say Ranger better duo tank than any of those three). Want to be powerful and don't mind stressful playstyle then go Enchanter + Cleric as mentioned. Want to play caster duo but not Enchanter? Mage or Necro + Cleric will probably work very well. Hell, Rogue + Cleric can be pretty damned good until you get high enough that Cleric tanking starts to really suck. Lots of good options for a steady partner with Cleric, how do you want to play it?

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean by best? Ranger+Cleric is great for fun, can kill lots of stuf, can build a group if you want one, can survive amazingly well while killing stuff. Paladin/Shadowknight/Warrior + Cleric is great group builder, Warrior probably best if you plan to mostly duo because better damage output than the knights (tho I'd say Ranger better duo tank than any of those three). Want to be powerful and don't mind stressful playstyle then go Enchanter + Cleric as mentioned. Want to play caster duo but not Enchanter? Mage or Necro + Cleric will probably work very well. Hell, Rogue + Cleric can be pretty damned good until you get high enough that Cleric tanking starts to really suck. Lots of good options for a steady partner with Cleric, how do you want to play it?

Yeah, hell yes, I would go with a Ranger before a Warrior if I had that gear and a Cleric to heal in a heartbeat. Outdoors a Ranger kicks ass Twinked and with good heals on them. Harmony Spell makes a Monk look like crap pulling wise. Not counting their other killer CC abilities..

And having Tracking in Velious is just a unbelievable Gift in that expansion. And a Ranger is far and away the best of the Trackers. And a Ranger can do just as much DPS as a Warrior other than when they are in Zerker Mode. I know they are squishy, but having a Cleric, well nuff said.