Burn it to the ground

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't need to argue it, everyday i log in and see the pop increased and that proves my point for me.

We just have a different mentality than Nihilum, we don't think a new member has to prove they're worth. If an item drops and it's they're main and they need it they get it. Even if they're a day one member. We aren't mad if someone gears up and leaves, we look at it as they put they're time in and they earned those items.

Our guildleader doesn't expect the members to be grateful for attending raids and having a chance at loot. Gongshow thanks the members for attending raids. It's something you can't really quantify in pixels or gains, and someone who just wants to raid for selfish ends wouldn't get it.

If any of that changed in Holocaust if it one day did become Nihilum in ideology that would be the day I disband. I'm not like you I won't support something simply because it's good for me when it's bad for everyone else.

It's Holo's choice not to have apps if that is indeed what is happening. No full member in Nihilum would ever have loot destroyed in their face. I'd like to see an actual former Nihilum member reply to this thread and say they felt mistreated by loot distribution. You have several former Nihilum members in your guild, in fact every single member of your leadership aside from Colgate was in that guild.

It sounds like you've played here for about 6 months, blame Nihilum for every problem R99 has ever had and are unwilling to be convinced the majority you believe about Nihilum is bullshit. Whatever man, it's pointless to try with you. You get an idea in your head and that is the end of it. You say things like "we have a different mentality than Nihilum". You have no idea the mentality Nihilum had because you were never in it. You are making judgements based on second hand accounts and bullshit posted in RNF.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's Holo's choice not to have apps if that is indeed what is happening. No full member in Nihilum would ever have loot destroyed in their face. I'd like to see an actual former Nihilum member reply to this thread and say they felt mistreated by loot distribution. You have several former Nihilum members in your guild, in fact every single member of your leadership aside from Colgate was in that guild.

It sounds like you've played here for about 6 months, blame Nihilum for every problem R99 has ever had and are unwilling to be convinced the majority you believe about Nihilum is bullshit. Whatever man, it's pointless to try with you. You get an idea in your head and that is the end of it. You say things like "we have a different mentality than Nihilum". You have no idea the mentality Nihilum had because you were never in it. You are making judgements based on second hand accounts and bullshit posted in RNF.

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.

[LostCause]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.

Go hide in a corner nobody

[Widan]

Do you not realize Holocaust has the most ex-Nihilum members on the server?

[Silent]

Originally Posted by LostCause [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go hide in a corner nobody

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by LostCause [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go hide in a corner nobody

Who are you? Besides angry all the damned time.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.

I'm going to do what I know is a pointless exercise and try to explain to you why that policy was put in place and hope there is some sort of rational portion of your brain that is still operational.

When Holo gets to 2+ years old and has members in it with literally 100x the DKP of new members then you can talk to me about what to do about alts. People like Thrilla had 50% RA for 2 years and saw an endless revolving door of new people come and go and were never able to take an item for a second character. He was literally BiS and there was no possible items he could take on his main for over an entire year, yet he kept attending raids to help people like me get gear. That policy was put in place to give someone like him an opportunity to occasionally take an item for an alt.

On top of that, all the dkp was basically going to get reset and a new DKP system put in place. In the old system, items didn't cost you dkp. It was basically tracking raid attendance. In the new one, items would cost between like 5-40 dkp. The most any person could have started with was around 100 dkp when Velious dropped, enough to buy a couple items.

So the dkp reduction combined with a dkp cost on item basically ensured nobody was burning DKP on an alt for many many months, even years. This policy you love to point to as a way for Nihilum to fuck over new members would have never even been used for probably over a year into the Velious timeline, and was done to protect long time members who continue to show up and help out these new members get loot in the first place. Velious raiding aint burning down VS with 60 bro.

As for deleting shit before giving it to an alt...2 weeks dude. Are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why you'd want someone to at least show up for 2 weeks and not be a complete asswipe and/or spy before handing them loot?

Your guild does things different because you haven't had the server on farm status for 2 years. This is why your comparisons are meaningless. If Colgate is BiS and can't take another item to upgrade his monk, and you go 1+ year straight with him showing up 50% of the time, you are gonna sit here and tell me you wouldn't let him take an item on his 2nd character ever? That sounds like a pretty shitty guild to be in.