Late game Min/maxing class race list

[hammertime7795]

Ogre is the superior War race imo. Cant beat frontal stun immunity. Slam is still superior to kick due to its higher skill cap as well.

[brecon]

[QUOTE=kaev;1696294]Paladin - Half-Elf because any race can sling stuns and swing Fiery Defender and toss a panicky battle-rez at that last downed clicky cleric so he can die again before the wipe finishes, but only a Half-Elf is gonna look good while doing it.

The only thing that matters is Human Velious Dragon Helms. Half Elf paladins, Ogre SKs, Halfling Warriors, will all live their lives in a terrible state of regret.

Seriously though, the only end-game things that matter are racial perks not stats, and the answer will always be ogre, iksar, or unimportant.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i gotta disagree from a min/maxing pov ogre still wins. Torper grabs innate regen and throws it out the window. faction doesnt help the shaman class in anyway, its just a convenience. ac not as good as everyone says, at least not on here. frontal stun immunity is one of the best racial traits there is. hide/sneak is up there as well. anyways if you had BiS 60 shaman of each race lined up against the wall, id argue the ogre would be king in both pve and pvp.

just to put this out there, i hate min/maxing. im just answering the OP. i have iksar shaman, gnome necros, dark elf warriors, and a bunch of other shit that i just enjoy. play what you like but dont kid yourself when it comes to simple min/maxing question. no need to get defensive about common sense.

as far as shaman goes, as a Barb youll ever so often be like RAAAGE!!!! IF I HAD FRONTAL STUN *SHAKING FIST& CURSING!!* and be at 60% health instead of 90 after some stupid jerk mob does something that is frustrating.

But as ogre youll only be like, 'i kinda wish I had an eyepatch' like pretty much all of the time..

One of those emotions may give you a heart attack IRL, so you can choose which one is more important to you.

[Bill Tetley]

played an ogre war for years on live and now I play a damn woodelf here for the last year and a half. I see no difference what so ever with frontal stun immunity being gone and kick seems to land just as much as slam did... dps? I parse the same as any ogre warrior in similar gear. /shrug 6% difference? doubtful

[Orruar]

Keep on rolling those ogre shaman and thinking you have an advantage of any kind. Those of us getting stunned once every 2 minutes while casting a 1.3s canni laugh at you. I'd much rather have another 160hp from innate regen rather than avoid a mildly annoying bash. And if that interrupt leads to your death or some great problem, you are bad at shaman anyway, so switching to ogre isn't going to change much. Again, I bet most of the people saying to roll ogre still use JBB at 60. The only reason you'd care about stun immunity is if you're constantly spamming a 8s bracer to do subpar dps.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Bill Tetley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

played an ogre war for years on live and now I play a damn woodelf here for the last year and a half. I see no difference what so ever with frontal stun immunity being gone and kick seems to land just as much as slam did... dps? I parse the same as any ogre warrior in similar gear. /shrug 6% difference? doubtful

6% was probably calculated based on unslowed/unslowable mobs like raid bosses. On anything slowed, the most you'd ever be stunned is like 4% of the time, and that's only if the mob lands 100% of bashes and never decides to kick. So yeah, on random trash that is often missing/kicking/slowed, it's probably like 1%.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by hammertime7795 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre is the superior War race imo. Cant beat frontal stun immunity. Slam is still superior to kick due to its higher skill cap as well.

Again, I say ogre warrior stats (stamina) are far more relevant than frontal stun. Everyone who thinks you can max stamina without sacrificing raw hp/resists/other important stuff as an elf warrior is off their nut. Unless you're in class C during velious, and even then...

Slam is absolutely much much better than kick though, you're right.

That said - play what you want. I have barb warrior and shaman and a wood elf rogue and going to roll a human monk.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6% was probably calculated based on unslowed/unslowable mobs like raid bosses. On anything slowed, the most you'd ever be stunned is like 4% of the time, and that's only if the mob lands 100% of bashes and never decides to kick. So yeah, on random trash that is often missing/kicking/slowed, it's probably like 1%.

The point is getting those slows and roots off when you have 5-6 mobs on you

Ogre removes an element of randomness (stun) if you're facing the mob.

In terms of min/max, that's huge!

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is getting those slows and roots off when you have 5-6 mobs on you

Ogre removes an element of randomness (stun) if you're facing the mob.

In terms of min/max, that's huge!

If you're a min/maxxer, you're unlikely to put yourself in the situation where you have 5-6 mobs on you. And even if you are in that situation, you're likely the type to have plenty of root nets to lock things down. How many shamans solo HS south these days? I did it for a long time and never saw any others except maybe Svenn (another barb). Where are all these amazingly powerful ogre shamans?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6% was probably calculated based on unslowed/unslowable mobs like raid bosses. On anything slowed, the most you'd ever be stunned is like 4% of the time, and that's only if the mob lands 100% of bashes and never decides to kick. So yeah, on random trash that is often missing/kicking/slowed, it's probably like 1%.

Pretty sure people aren't worried about whether they're getting interrupted during canni.

It's whether you get interrupted during slow/torpor that counts.