Late game Min/maxing class race list

[trist4n]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played an Iksar to level 50 then changed because Iksars look stupid as hell.

Oh god I know. The Iksar model is brutal. If I was going to play an Iksar Monk, I think I'd have to install Luclin models or my brain would freak out.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrior, Shaman, SK - Ogre. Frontal Stun Immunity and Slam, can't beat those two combined abilities for raids.

If you can be an Ogre, be an Ogre.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paladin - Dwarf. Higher Stamina(HP's), some extra innate resists and their racial armor is surprisingly amazing even late game Kunark. Erudite's are a worthy mention because of the extra unique gear. I would say it's a toss up come Velious.

If you're in a Velious raiding guild, Natures Defender probably won't really compare to other things you can get. So I'd agree that Dwarf is the best option for stats. Otherwise if you're more of a casual player and Natures Defender is going to be a BIS for you, you probably want to go Tunare Half Elf.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard - Half Elf. For the extra Dex for when using epic.

Never really played a Bard, but is the extra dex better than say extra stamina and strength on a Human? Stamina is traditionally a rarer stat (until Velious kinda) and a lot of Bard gear seems to involve dexterity. As a shaman bards rarely ask me for dexterity, but they always ask me for stamina. Also, Robe of the Azure Sky.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue - Barbarian for now since it's easier to cap stats in Kunark, come Velious it probably won't make a big difference.

Also the only Rogue race that gets Slam, which is situationally useful. But I think the Robe of the Azure Sky might still be a BIS in Velious, so perhaps Human is the correct choice.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk - Human. This is very situational and I would say that the slight edge human's have is that if everything goes right during a pull and raid mob set up they will add to the raid force as DPS and they beat Iksar in that category.

The "extra Human DPS" only comes from bare fists if you're not using epic. Since almost every Monk is using weapons or epic, there's really no advantage to being a Human over an Iksar. I think Monk is one class where it's really easy to say one race is better than another. Iksars are also cooler looking than Humans, I don't know what those other people are talking about.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard, Magician - Erudite. More INT for more PEWPEW simple.

Sure. Almost want to make the Human for stamina argument again, but it doesn't do as much for casters (although every bit of HP helps). Intelligence is just so easy to cap, but once it's capped you can focus on other stats.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanter - High Elf. Only for the scenario that when fighting a raid mob in resist gear and the off chance that they need to charm/mez mobs they have higher CHA.

Probably correct. I know a lot of people who say you should go Dark Elf for Hide, but it seems like that could easily be replaceable by a Goblin Gazhugi Ring.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger - Half Elf. Higher Dex to help Epic proc and in Velious can worship Tunare for sweet gear.

I'd argue Tunare Human for higher strength and stamina. Also, Robe of the Azure Sky.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid - Halfling. Sneak hands down OP racial ability, I would like to see any other race get past two drakes without training. Come velious Wood Elf for Tunare armor maybe...

I still think Tunare Human should be a consideration for the stamina. Wisdom is very easy to cap. Also, Robe of the Azure Sky. Sneak is definitely useful though.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Necro - Iksar. Better regen which helps feed clerics.

Yup.

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric - High Elf for stats Halfling for situational. Sure high elfs cap out stats easily but wisdom is easy to come by and Velious will make it even easier. But once again being able to sneak past two drakes(who knows what else come Velious) to solo CR a failed pull team deep in the dungeon is pretty damn good.

Clerics are kinda weird since you miss out on two of the best items if your race can't equip robes. I don't believe anything comes close to Sal`Varae's Robe of Darkness for cleric's chest slot. So that means High Elf, Dark Elf, Human, Erudite, or Gnome.

[Steel Warrior]

I played an ogre warrior on live and now I have a dwarf on red. The stun makes a difference.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clerics are kinda weird since you miss out on two of the best items if your race can't equip robes. I don't believe anything comes close to Sal`Varae's Robe of Darkness for cleric's chest slot. So that means High Elf, Dark Elf, Human, Erudite, or Gnome.

It comes down to a choice of utility from 1-60 (CR, exploring, quests) with sneak (and somewhat hide) versus gear progression at the very top end.

Best chest slot for halflings come Velious is Matchless Dragonhide. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by captain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid - Halfling. Sneak hands down OP racial ability, I would like to see any other race get past two drakes without training. Come velious Wood Elf for Tunare armor maybe...

The clicky root necklace in Velious cannot be discounted and would see far more use than situational sneak imo. Not to mention, 95% of all druids are only druids to make some plat to gear their real mains.

[Loke]

Ive played a non ogre warrior for years, and he has tanked every raid mob outside VP multiple times successfully, so I'm by no means advocating for my chosen race/class when I say that from a min/max pov ogre is without a doubt the best warrior race. I'm pretty sure Loraen did a breakdown of the numbers and came out with something like 6% more dps, which is definitely significant if we're talking min/max.

Does that mean another race warrior can't tank everything in the game? Absolutely not. Will race make up for the player being an idiot? Nope. But holding everything equal in terms of gear and player situational awareness, an ogre will be slightly better than a non-ogre. That is also true of iksar monks, and a variety of other class/race combos. Ultimately IMO while some classes do have a "best race", worrying about that when you could spend time becoming a better and more knowledgable player is silly. Character race will never trump understanding of encounters and game mechanics - so don't stress the little things.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best chest slot for halflings come Velious is Matchless Dragonhide. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Matchless Dragonhide is best in slot for most classes that can't use Sal`Varae's Robe of Darkness or the Robe of the Azure Sky. This puts a premium on races that can equip robes. The exceptions are Shaman (Vindi BP) and Warrior / SK / Pally (BP of Eradication).

Haven't seen the Matchless Dragonhide drop from Klandicar yet... lots of stuff on his loot list and he doesn't drop much. Good luck. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kobold]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "extra Human DPS" only comes from bare fists if you're not using epic. Since almost every Monk is using weapons or epic, there's really no advantage to being a Human over an Iksar. I think Monk is one class where it's really easy to say one race is better than another. Iksars are also cooler looking than Humans, I don't know what those other people are talking about.

Everything you said is true. And when I came back months ago I wanted to pool resources into exploring some classes that I had not played before. One of those was a monk.

I listed to everyone who said make an iksar or you'll regret it. I made an iksar and I regret it. Every time I see a human, I am jealous to be frank.

I thought in many ways, I was a min/max kind of guy, even though I no longer have the time to dedicate as I once did. As it turned out, I found I have to like the toon I'm looking at.

All this is neither here nor there as it pertains to this thread. I'm just high as a kite on nyquil.

[kaev]

Paladin - Half-Elf because any race can sling stuns and swing Fiery Defender and toss a panicky battle-rez at that last downed clicky cleric so he can die again before the wipe finishes, but only a Half-Elf is gonna look good while doing it. The Dwarf "advantages" don't really matter to a veteran raiding Paladin, MR/STR/STA are capped at 255 and Velious raid gear dwarfs dwarven cultural.

Druid - Whatever the fuck you want because none of the racial/diety choices make any damned tiniest bit of difference for a raiding Druid trying to make himself useful. What the hell, be Human/Karana and ignore all the meaningless petty minmaxy baloney (it's okay, you don't have to be jealous of those petty little baubles, you can spend the time you save questing useful gear for your alts), maybe you'll get lucky and get to wear a robe someday.

[Erati]

@Byrjun

I dont think Human druids can be Tunare.....

if they could, I need to speak to my goddess and let her know that filthy humans are worshiping the elven god...