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[Bboboo]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never happens on Red.

Then what's the point of red? You guys are selling red as a PvPless server but saying all our issues on blue would be solved with PvP.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

I think you have a hyperbolic view of what Red actually is/ what happens there on a consistent basis.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

I mean seriously, which do you prefer:

a) Blue: the hiero is permanently camped because some shaman logged in at 6AM and is mostly AFK there all day for 12 hours ?

b) Red: you play in an actual group with people instead of farming everything solo (safety in numbers, not to mention being rather classic). If a group from a rival guild is there, you PK them and either you win, getting the camp, or you lose and call LNS and go somewhere else.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Bboboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then what's the point of red? You guys are selling red as a PvPless server but saying all our issues on blue would be solved with PvP.

It will. How does not going into the Crypt to kill someone equate with PvP not solving a camp you want?

The crypt is a bitch to get to, and you need a rogue. People don't generally push into the crypt just to kill someone when they can just gate when you arrive and re CoH back in with their mage parked at the safe spot.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have a hyperbolic view of what Red actually is/ what happens there on a consistent basis.

So you're saying people never lose PvP engages because of the terribly broken stun on Windstriker? Or that PvP doesn't occur at times when one party is out of mana and the other party is full mana/buffed.

The point is, open world PvP mixed into a PvE environment is so terribly unbalanced. It's not fun to be on either side of those battles. (Unless you are a prepubescent teen who trolls OOC after killing an oom caster) If PvP were balanced, it would be interesting in an arena format. But it isn't balanced and it always occurs when one side is disadvantaged in the battle. Sometimes hugely so.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean seriously, which do you prefer:

a) Blue: the hiero is permanently camped because some shaman logged in at 6AM and is mostly AFK there all day for 12 hours ?

b) Red: you play in an actual group with people instead of farming everything solo (safety in numbers, not to mention being rather classic). If a group from a rival guild is there, you PK them and either you win, getting the camp, or you lose and call LNS and go somewhere else.

Would prefer C.

Check hiero, camped. Figure out something else I can do uninterrupted solo or with a group.

[Locust]

get this shit out of server chat for fucks sake

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Bboboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then what's the point of red? You guys are selling red as a PvPless server but saying all our issues on blue would be solved with PvP.

No, the point is there are different levels of competition over different pixels. Want a raid target on red? Expect to PVP. Want a high-level cash camp? Maybe. Want to level up? Who cares, the mobs outnumber the players 100:1 at L20. There will be a few PKs to deal with, but nothing serious.

[Niedar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would prefer C.

Check hiero, camped. Figure out something else I can do uninterrupted solo or with a group.

Everything is camped on Blue, that is the point.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying people never lose PvP engages because of the terribly broken stun on Windstriker? Or that PvP doesn't occur at times when one party is out of mana and the other party is full mana/buffed.

The point is, open world PvP mixed into a PvE environment is so terribly unbalanced. It's not fun to be on either side of those battles. (Unless you are a prepubescent teen who trolls OOC after killing an oom caster) If PvP were balanced, it would be interesting in an arena format. But it isn't balanced and it always occurs when one side is disadvantaged in the battle. Sometimes hugely so.

Terribly broken? No. Not even close. If you'd like a list of kill/death ratios of active windstriker rangers, I will gladly oblige you. In mass PvP, yes. But most guilds try to focus the Windstrikers down because they can be dangerous.

And being attacked when unexpected is part of the fun. You need to escape, not fight on their terms.