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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On TZ I enjoyed the time spent at low level fighting in crushbone, making raids against misty thicket and so on.

On r99 the XP is way too fast and you miss out on the tweenie pvp experience, which is what I always enjoyed most [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Taking the old XP bonus out crashed the red pop once and took Red Dawn with it, I don't think they'd do it again unless... I hope not at least [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bonus is there and designed to get you to the higher pvp levels fast. Hitting people with rusty short swords in Gfay is fun but the real pvp is at the top end <3

[Nirgon]

How many corpses with plane of mischief cards will you make in project 1999 Scars of Velious in server where u cannot pvp

tells us here

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your selling point on red is:

You will level faster (not classic), and due to this faster group leveling (again not classic), you won't PvP at all.
You're not really having to worry too much about being attacked everywhere you go. It will happen, but not much. Letting you get established on the server. The real PvP begins at 56
You have to avoid certain zones (some of the most iconic dungeons) because twinked PKers and their level 60 healer friends will run you off.
Not really... the twinked PKers aren't ever around for very long. I've had a couple groups disrupted but it's not like the zone is unusable for hours at a time. It's usually like a 20 minute disruption

So you're encouraging them to come over, not PvP, just because of faster leveling. Oh and by the way you can't enjoy certain zones leveling up because of neckbeards.
Encouraging you to come over and see that it's not as bad as people say. You spit out a bunch of vitriol over something you've not actually experienced. I used to be as much of a red hater as anyone and then I gave it a try.

I dunno, on blue stuff generally is localized and drama isn't aired in public channels. On red though, you see all sorts of racial and homophobic slurs in general channels.
/OOC is half the fun of Red, to be honest. Derupal and Sirkdawg have been cracking down and handing out suspensions for people crapping up the channel.

It's pretty clear why red population has and always will be terrible. Even with the high end game being the way it is on this server. It's vastly superior to a PvP server with broken exp, item loot, item recharging, OOC and all sorts of other things.
Ultimately, open world PvP does not appeal to as wide of a base. Some people can't handle the pressure, but it's a shame that people like you go all sperglord over threads that are no different than the hourly 'What race/class should I play?' 'Where is a good place to farm?' ect.. threads

Edit: Ya know what drove me to red? Literally 4 weeks camping Staff of the Dreaded Gaze, just to have some ogre shaman get one because they already held the camp when I logged in that morning.

[toolshed]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Playing video games is not hardcore. Its something you do for fun. If its more than that, you probably need to reevaluate your life. Not speaking to anyone in particular, just a general statement.

This is the key.

If you took a poll, I would almost certainly guarantee a higher percentage of red99 players would say they are having fun than blue99 players; the inequality of fun would be even higher at the max level.

Seriously think about it - there is a 20 page thread right now on Server Chat that is about buying a new server just so players can actually play EQ and have fun.

Actually playing Everquest is the goal, not litigating raid disputes through essays and fraps replays

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the key.

If you took a poll, I would almost certainly guarantee a higher percentage of red99 players would say they are having fun than blue99 players; the inequality of fun would be even higher at the max level.

Seriously think about it - there is a 20 page thread right now on Server Chat that is about buying a new server just so players can actually play EQ and have fun.

Actually playing Everquest is the goal, not litigating raid disputes through essays and fraps replays

[Daldaen]

Yep and I'd like to be able to play the game and camp Hiero or do my epic without someone coming in and killing me after I burned all my mana breaking the camp, just for them to get the named I was camping.

Blue is nice that way. Heaven forbid you may have to wait your turn or (gasp) figure out something else to do until it is open.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen

You will level faster (not classic), and due to this faster group leveling (again not classic), you won't PvP at all.

PVP is simply a way to resolve contention that doesn't involve poopsocking, rule lawyering, and people AFK at camps for hours. On red, the population 1-50 is so low than there is simply no contention anyway, so the only PVP at those levels is from people who I would basically call sociopaths ("so and so irritated me, so we jumped him 5 v 1", etc).

At 50+ there are far more legitimate reasons to PVP. I think both of us pretty frustrated with the raid scene on blue. Even with foot races, you still have to sit there waiting for 8 hours on average! And then just think about the farming stuff: on Velious people will set up camp at the Holgresh Elder beads or whatever and never leave, or give the camp to a friend and just rotate it for months. Kael will be empty. And god forbid you want a bracer of Benevolence.

[Bboboo]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the key.

If you took a poll, I would almost certainly guarantee a higher percentage of red99 players would say they are having fun than blue99 players; the inequality of fun would be even higher at the max level.

Seriously think about it - there is a 20 page thread right now on Server Chat that is about buying a new server just so players can actually play EQ and have fun.

Actually playing Everquest is the goal, not litigating raid disputes through essays and fraps replays

Measuring fun status between games is the most pre-school shit 'gamers' do.

333 people voted in that thread. 200 of which voted yes which is arguably 1/6 of the blue population, and almost all of the red population. Who's to say any of those 200 people actually play blue/stillplay/are just voting for the fuck of it.

I see all this stuff about raid disputes with Velious on the horizon. Probably better to look for land before jumping ship first.

[Daldaen]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep and I'd like to be able to play the game and camp Hiero or do my epic without someone coming in and killing me after I burned all my mana breaking the camp, just for them to get the named I was camping.

Blue is nice that way. Heaven forbid you may have to wait your turn or (gasp) figure out something else to do until it is open.

Never happens on Red.