Stop the Socking

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry that you are so upset and angry. You would however benefit more from joining the Tinfoil hat guild with how radically incorrect everything you post is. You can discuss these myths and theories in GuildChat with full on support!

Heading out for a bit to take my Nephew Trick or Treating. Happy Halloween all!

obvious dodging of the truth by throwing tinfoil hats in this.. just further proves me correct.

show me proof that i'm wrong... come on, wheres the proof!

[LizardNecro]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons beyond what Sirken said are that C/R FFA repop takes a % away from C's pie

This isn't rocket surgery folks

They don't want to give up a %, and nor should they
R doesn't want to give up a %, and nor should they

Keep the %'s identical to how it is now and figure out a system, fuck

What about C/R/FFA, but still full FFA on repops?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue players are shitty because of greed.

Red players are shitty because of spite.

One is self interest. One is the desire to make others have a bad time.

That's why red is toxic. Blue is drama, lol PvP is far more drama. And people over there have no qualms about using racial/homophobic slurs in global OOC. It's just another breed of terrible people on red.

Good post; I've tried so hard to rid myself of pvp memories of live. Was a totally different time. Still like pvp, but when its the same small pool of people they get too vindictive. On live things never really got too weird.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry that you are so upset and angry. You would however benefit more from joining the Tinfoil hat guild with how radically incorrect everything you post is. You can discuss these myths and theories in GuildChat with full on support!

Heading out for a bit to take my Nephew Trick or Treating. Happy Halloween all!

If I'm not mistaken, everything Amirite has posted has been the concern of pretty much everyone but TMO, but you are lacking the insight to realize this. Isn't the proof in the fact that you've sat here arguing for 60 pages against at least half a dozen other guilds' members, not counting the anonymous accounts.

You sir, are inept.

Have fun trick or treating, the children deserve to have a good time tonight.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'm not mistaken, everything Amirite has posted has been the concern of pretty much everyone but TMO, but you are lacking the insight to realize this. Isn't the proof in the fact that you've sat here arguing for 60 pages against at least half a dozen other guilds' members, not counting the anonymous accounts.

You sir, are inept.

Have fun trick or treating, the children deserve to have a good time tonight.

Actually the only inept person (as far as making a point and an argument) I saw in this thread was Amirite (Before you carelessly just threw your blind support his way). Everyone else seemed to make their views pretty well known. They actually used facts that had some merit and not some invented theory as a point of contention. If this were RNF I'd say he went full retard, but it isn't.

As you notice in this thread if you read it Aviann. The folks I was discussing things with came to a clear understanding with each other. Even people in Amirite's own guild. I understand adult conversations are tough for some people though, so I tried to be nice to him. Most of the problems that arise in discussions like these always comes down to past wrongs that caused grudges. When I say past I mean well over a year.

There can be some good changes if people just let go of those. Because whether you or anyone else wants to admit it... TMO does the right thing when issues arise. We come to the table to help make changes. We don't push the rules or the envelope to make things harder on everyone. I know these facts are hard to believe because everyone wants to hold grudges over how things were before. Everyone wants to point fingers to blame someone. The truth is in the body of our work since the changes and the merge.

[TheDoja]

As an outside observer and filthy casual, I've read thru this thread trying to actually decipher the term "poopsocking" and a lot of the other acronyms tossed around. It was entertaining, but alas still unsolved.

I never hit max level in 1999, never played Live past PoP and am currently just slowly leveling a 30 Enchanter. Starting to think it's a blessing over burden I'm not at raiding tier or in a raiding guild atm.

Anyhoo, happy halloween [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a couple of reasons, and I'll keep it brief because I believe that the true Wall-of-Text hero here is Daldaen and I don't want to take a shot at his crown.

1) Removing FFA completely destroys the avenue in which Class-R CAN compete for mobs against Class-C if they wish. If they wish to abstain from the toxic shitshow that you believe co-mingling with Class-C causes, they can.

Contrary to popular belief, there have only been a couple incidents that have gone to GMs due to FFA situations - the SevGate FTE fuck by Taken and the ridiculous attempt of a petition against TMO by Taken most recently.

2) Why are we being asked to concede more mobs when we already did so (to a significant extent) during the original raid change agreement? We're not the ones unhappy with FFA and we're not asking for more mobs.

3) It really seems to me that the real issue here isn't being addressed and it's being covered up by bullshit. I think the real problem is that the rotations are getting longer and longer because more guilds are joining that rotation you've got going and Class-R mouths are hungry. In honestly, there doesn't need to be 13 Class-R guilds. Consider consolidating.

Good post.

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Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what proof do you have that Taken did any of this? wheres the screenshots? wheres the logs? wheres the screenshots of the logs with fraps of the screenshots happening with the locs??

again.. TMO causes the issues and blames a Class R guild who is trying to be competitive. becouse they almost lost some % of the pie!

still no reason for no FFA repops. doesn't matter what sirken said a week ago before this was even really discussed.

give a reason why it wouldn't work out better for the server? smaller guilds dont get FFA mobs as it is, but they would have a chance at picking targets class C wont go for first at the last second decision

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'm not mistaken, everything Amirite has posted has been the concern of pretty much everyone.

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[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Clark <The Mystical Order>

Shut up.

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the only inept person (as far as making a point and an argument) I saw in this thread was Amirite (Before you carelessly just threw your blind support his way). Everyone else seemed to make their views pretty well known. They actually used facts that had some merit and not some invented theory as a point of contention. If this were RNF I'd say he went full retard, but it isn't.

As you notice in this thread if you read it Aviann. The folks I was discussing things with came to a clear understanding with each other. Even people in Amirite's own guild. I understand adult conversations are tough for some people though, so I tried to be nice to him. Most of the problems that arise in discussions like these always comes down to past wrongs that caused grudges. When I say past I mean well over a year.

There can be some good changes if people just let go of those. Because whether you or anyone else wants to admit it... TMO does the right thing when issues arise. We come to the table to help make changes. We don't push the rules or the envelope to make things harder on everyone. I know these facts are hard to believe because everyone wants to hold grudges over how things were before. Everyone wants to point fingers to blame someone. The truth is in the body of our work since the changes and the merge.

If I'm not mistaken, my point is still the same as when I was posting in this thread earlier, and Amirite helps conclude my proof that I am not alone, nor are we, in wanting a difference that TMO does not want. I hate to call you inept but you are blindly ignoring the words that we are writing here and continue thinking that what you believe is what everyone believes.

I like you Lazie, but I don't like the point you are fighting for, because its the equivalent as the 1% fighting the 99%. It isn't right and you know it damn well.

You were an amazing person in game from multiple character's perspectives, but what you portray on the forums is a tyrant looking to rule among the rest of us with your pixelated guild. Fuck that. We want to have fun playing this server, we don't want shit given to us, we want to earn it and not be blocked from being able to earn it. We want a chance to enjoy the game instead of one guild cockblocking the rest of us, and guilds like BDA and Taken have been our only basic defense against you, simply because they are willing to step to your game, as low as it is.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clark <The Mystical Order>

Shut up.

Pretty certain I used to buff and help you in Lguk on my enchanter; show some respect for your Elders Youngster Mcgee.

Unless you're some impostor.