Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence?

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its not so much wiether they are portrated poorly in 1 game vs 10 games.. its that in the vast majority of story driven games, they are portrayed poorly.

If you dont agree, you simply dont play video games... or just dont understand the issue at all.

I think this video is worth watching from start to finish, there is no reason to disagree with it becuse if you disagree with it you just simply do not understand the issue, once again.

The questions Anita Sarkeesian raises about games and the stories behind them are valid and challange game developers to make games better.

Im a man and I dont like the bullshit way women are portrate din games, becuse its just totally unbelievable (as in its not even close to reality) and it makes me look at a game as a play toy for a stupid kid or retard.. I want to play games that take shit seroiusly, putting a 36DD chick in a g string and ploppin gher down in the front of a midevil army is just stupid. If you disagree, you're stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA

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Games should be better than this for fucks sake, its been like 30 years..

You're right, I don't play video games very much. I'm a grown up. And as such I realize that the portrayal of anything in video games is unrealistic. That's kind of the point of video games. Am I to assume that all the musclebound butt kicking male protagonists are a reflection of the current male culture?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What percentage of video games includes this overt misogyny?

While I won't touch that, I do think it's fair to admit that the video game world isn't for women. How many games have female lead characters that aren't just Laura Croft-esque sex symbols? Or heck, even if you include the pure sex symbols, how many games have lead female characters? Only a small percentage right?

I'm not saying every video game hates women, but it's hard to deny that girls learn at an early age that the video game world isn't for for them. Personally I think that's kind of sad, and at least some of the feminist critics of the video game industry are just making that point.

Of course there are the crazies that argue video games = hatred of women, but then there are crazies everywhere (just look at these forums).

[Raev]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

If it is against the law, the police will handle it. If it's a bunch of internet tough guys, who cares?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, I don't play video games very much. I'm a grown up. And as such I realize that the portrayal of anything in video games is unrealistic. That's kind of the point of video games. Am I to assume that all the musclebound butt kicking male protagonists are a reflection of the current male culture?

thats like saying the point of movies is to be unrealistic.

The point of video games are to be video games.. if you arnt bothered by naked chicks fighting dragons, then you arnt going to be bothered by normal chicks fighting dragons..

hell as an adult, you may even play more games in that case.

Anita challenges game devs, that doesn't mean she is god and creating rules that say games have to be one way.. she calls people out for being dipshits.

and there are a lot of dipshits in the video game industry... especially big budget AAA games, which are her primary targets...

Arguing that games that take women seriously because they are trying to tell a real interactive story, are not better than a game that is trying to tell an interactive story about men saving chicks in bikini's is like saying that 2001 isnt a better film than You've got Mail...

And if the film industry agree's that 2001 is a better flim than Grownups 2, doesn't mean that people arnt going to make Grownups 2.. if you like that shit, someones going to make it.

Anita just wants the AAA games to be looked at more critically. Because she, like many other gamers, wants better games.

As far as gamergate goes, by simply reading the posts of the people here who support it, you can see that they make up their entire argument form start to finish, with accusations about what gamergate is, by just making up their own news stories - like X spelt with Y for good reviews, even when it never happened.

the gamergate movment is 100% delusional children.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats like saying the point of movies is to be unrealistic.

The point of video games are to be video games.. if you arnt bothered by naked chicks fighting dragons, then you arnt going to be bothered by normal chicks fighting dragons..

hell as an adult, you may even play more games in that case.

Anita challenges game devs, that doesn't mean she is god and creating rules that say games have to be one way.. she calls people out for being dipshits.

and there are a lot of dipshits in the video game industry... especially big budget AAA games, which are her primary targets...

Arguing that games that take women seriously because they are trying to tell a real interactive story, are not better than a game that is trying to tell an interactive story about men saving chicks in bikini's is like saying that 2001 isnt a better film than You've got Mail...

And if the film industry agree's that 2001 is a better flim than Grownups 2, doesn't mean that people arnt going to make Grownups 2.. if you like that shit, someones going to make it.

Anita just wants the AAA games to be looked at more critically. Because she, like many other gamers, wants better games.

As far as gamergate goes, by simply reading the posts of the people here who support it, you can see that they make up their entire argument form start to finish, with accusations about what gamergate is, by just making up their own news stories - like X spelt with Y for good reviews, even when it never happened.

the gamergate movment is 100% delusional children.

So what you're saying is what I already assumed. There is zero point for either side expending this much energy on this crap. Because it isn't actually going to change anything in a substantive way.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what you're saying is what I already assumed. There is zero point for either side expending this much energy on this crap. Because it isn't actually going to change anything in a substantive way.

well, to be fair, Anita is a prominent member and consultant in the indi game community. She performs talks at GDC and during other trade shows that game developers go to, she was given an achievement award at the last GDC awards, that she helps to organize.

She is definitely not wasting her time and the powers that be, the directors and writers and other developers hold her in high regard. They listen to her.

But gamergate is absolutely wasting there time, yes. Heh, however they have ample time to spare so... no real loss for them.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it is against the law, the police will handle it. If it's a bunch of internet tough guys, who cares?

I just don't buy the "internet tough guy" argument. I mean, look at Adam Lanza. Look at Elliot Rodger. Guns are available and psychopathy is a very real thing. The way in which the Utah State threats were handled was absolutely irresponsible, and the police hardly "handled" it at all, which is why she had to cancel the lecture.

This is something that needs to change unless we want to see more innocent people killed for absolutely no sensible reason whatsoever.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A better question would be, what is the male-to-female ratio of people employed in the video game industry?

Whats the ratio of male to female nurses? Its a societal bias not a gamer/ industrial one. Teehee male nurse. Teehee science girl geek. Watch any Disney sitcom for that reductive shit.

Women need to be pushed into harder sciences and developed and nurtured. Lord knows i push my daughter that way.

Also the ivory tower liberal was a shot at WU. Obviously not all 3rd edition feminists are rich. Although it is a bit more palatable for some dad to pay for a social science degree at a lib art school if hes loaded

[Barkingturtle]

Did not read thread, will still offer my insight:

I don't know what gamergate is. I've only seen it mentioned here on Project99, and it seemed like something Kagatob was passionate about. A simple rule to live by is this: if a subject is important to Kagatob, it's irrelevant and I can safely ignore it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't buy the "internet tough guy" argument. I mean, look at Adam Lanza. Look at Elliot Rodger.

Two bad apples ruin the bunch huh? Your statism is showing.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guns are available and psychopathy is a very real thing.

So are cars. Should we ban those too?

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way in which the Utah State threats were handled was absolutely irresponsible, and the police hardly "handled" it at all, which is why she had to cancel the lecture.

Actually the FBI themselves determined the threat to be no danger.

Utah State University police is coordinating the threat information with other local, state and federal agencies, including the Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center, the FBI Cyber Terrorism Task Force, and the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit. After a careful assessment of the threat it has been determined it is similar to other threats that Sarkeesian has received in the past, and all university business will be conducted as scheduled tomorrow.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is something that needs to change unless we want to see more innocent people killed for absolutely no sensible reason whatsoever.

What exactly is "this" that needs to change? That we should give up all civil liberties and live under martial law 24/7/365?

You need to stop towing the party line so hard and learn to think critically. Trust but verify. Stop appealing to emotion. This isn't a partisan issue.