Stop the Socking

[Aviann]

Amirite for president

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my back of the envelope math crunching the numbers

While I appreciate those calculations, I think it's harder for people to put time into processing that. That's why I'm sort of after a simpler consideration. I would really like the class C members to think about that sincerely; their guild gets 10x of a mob for every 1x a class R guild gets. (This agrees with your numbers, 2*39/2 ~ 40 per class C guild if class C gets all FFA, 39/10 ~4). Do class C members really feel this is where the server should be? Not class C guild gets 5x of a class R guild or something more along those lines? That seems still like a ton more to me.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I'm not wrong - and I'm not saying the stance is right or wrong to take, but we're all kidding ourselves here if we were to say this is not about gross % of actual pixel intake, not potential pixel intake.

I am not chasing Pixels anymore personally. I have pretty much what I want from Kunark. I honestly don't see the benefits for smaller guilds with FFA being repops only. I do understand that the current way the FFA spawns are handled limits what some guilds will do to compete and their ability to compete.

I want to see a small Class R guild line up at the line for a Fay. Another line up for a Sev. Taken get good at Racing to the point they are like "Hey we are pretty good at this let's try to do it in VP". It's the same mechanics there honestly. It's just learning the mechanics of the zone after that. I think it's the best way to use FFA as a stepping stone in the current raid environment.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I appreciate those calculations, I think it's harder for people to put time into processing that. That's why I'm sort of after a simpler consideration. I would really like the class C members to think about that sincerely; their guild gets 10x of a mob for every 1x a class R guild gets. (This agrees with your numbers, 2*39/2 ~ 40 per class C guild if class C gets all FFA, 39/10 ~4). Do class C members really feel this is where the server should be? Not class C guild gets 5x of a class R guild or something more along those lines? That seems still like a ton more to me.

the percentages are that Class C gets about 75-80% of the mobs in a given month, if we moved to the new plan they'd get something between 65-70% of the mobs in a given month. That decrease is what they are arguing against. They want to maintain that ratio of 75-80% or if we went C/C/R just to eliminate the overlap in classes they'd get even more.

the only other proposal that they've considered is changing coth races to foot races which again does not change the culture of poop socking.

This server needs fundamental raid reform, not swapping one poopsock for another.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not chasing Pixels anymore personally. I have pretty much what I want from Kunark. I honestly don't see the benefits for smaller guilds with FFA being repops only. I do understand that the current way the FFA spawns are handled limits what some guilds will do to compete and their ability to compete.

I want to see a small Class R guild line up at the line for a Fay. Another line up for a Sev. Taken get good at Racing to the point they are like "Hey we are pretty good at this let's try to do it in VP". It's the same mechanics there honestly. It's just learning the mechanics of the zone after that. I think it's the best way to use FFA as a stepping stone in the current raid environment.

False. you want to see smaller guilds go away.

smaller guilds are not going to stand around for 16 hour windows for a Class C guild to train and shit on them with their better tactics when they've killed the mob 10000000 times and only want the loot from it to sell..

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I'm not wrong - and I'm not saying the stance is right or wrong to take, but we're all kidding ourselves here if we were to say this is not about Net% of actual pixel intake, and is about potential pixel intake.

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[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^

again. not caring about the server , even though you've posted serveral times that is what you want, a better server..

its all about yourselves.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. you want to see smaller guilds go away.

smaller guilds are not going to stand around for 16 hour windows for a Class C guild to train and shit on them with their better tactics when they've killed the mob 10000000 times and only want the loot from it to sell..

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There is no better tactics to racing. There are smarter classes to use to maximize your chances of getting to it first. Which doesn't take long to figure out. IF we all made it obvious that we would limit poopsocking and let the racers decide it I imagine lowering variance further would be on the table. Poopsocking is literally the only reason it exists.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having characters camped =/= poopsocking. It is dumb, but there is absolutely no way around it since everyone in high end guilds has multiple raid worthy Alts they camp out.

If you are footracing for quite a few of these targets (like VS, Sev) you really have to be at the login screen. It's really about the same.

Again, I think any real competition has to focus on repops. 16 repops a month with half the loot table isn't exactly classic, but its pure competition (no rotations! TMO rejoice!) while also being fun.

[Daldaen]

Rangers with Windstrikers/Rain Callers and 150' range bows is what it turns into.

But if Haynar gets his flight time on ranged items in, it becomes a much more interesting race :P.