Stop the Socking

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons beyond what Sirken said are that C/R FFA repop takes a % away from C's pie

This isn't rocket surgery folks

They don't want to give up a %, and nor should they
R doesn't want to give up a %, and nor should they

Keep the %'s identical to how it is now and figure out a system, fuck

Exactly. The part where Sirken says...

"The idea was never to "take away" from Class C so much as it was to try and allow more non Class C players to experience raid content, as well as a stepping stone to join Class C when ready."

To me this is what changing to foot races helps as well. Everyone can see how the raiding in Class C occurs by experiencing it...but on a smaller scale with a few more restrictions to curb the majority of socking. Trust me if you get really good at foot racing in FFA. You can compete for anything in Class C currently and it's pretty dang fun when you get experienced at it.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right now, all the mobs are rotated between c / r / ffa. regular respawns and simulated repops.

simulated repops that are FFA usually don't require mediation or fraps or petition or poopsock.

regular respawn mobs that are FFA cause all the problems. they need to be eliminated.

so take away FFA from regular respawns, make it C / R.

make all simulated repops FFA.

problem solved.

thats what everyone besides tmo is saying.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. The part where Sirken says...

"The idea was never to "take away" from Class C so much as it was to try and allow more non Class C players to experience raid content, as well as a stepping stone to join Class C when ready."

To me this is what changing to foot races helps as well. Everyone can see how the raiding in Class C occurs by experiencing it...but on a smaller scale with a few more restrictions to curb the majority of socking. Trust me if you get really good at foot racing in FFA. You can compete for anything in Class C currently and it's pretty dang fun when you get experienced at it.

False. this isn't competing. its the same as coth ducking or your rez the corpses strat (which we all know you will do to keep your pixels.)

[Raev]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons beyond what Sirken said are that C/R FFA repop takes a % away from C's pie

This isn't rocket surgery folks

They don't want to give up a %, and nor should they
R doesn't want to give up a %, and nor should they

Keep the %'s identical to how it is now and figure out a system, fuck

C/R + FFA repops actually increases the number of mobs that Class C guilds can compete for, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

Personally, what I would like to see is 16 repops per month, every mob dropping half its loot table, and no class system. Pure competition . . . but competition that is fun! Everyone gets a shot at attacking something every other day! Some guilds get more than others. The only rule changes I can potentially see would be limiting guilds from shuffling between camped alts.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. this isn't competing. its the same as coth ducking or your rez the corpses strat (which we all know you will do to keep your pixels.)

There is just no help for you. Poor soul.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C/R + FFA repops actually increases the number of mobs that Class C guilds can compete for, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

Increasing the number to compete for doesn't mean they will get them all. Especially not if they have to go to VP while 10 guilds get the pick of the litter for 30m-1h.

[arsenalpow]

Sirken said "we aren't changing shit" but TMO and IB don't want anything changed either. If for the first time in the goddamn history of the server EVERY guild agreed to something, anything, then I think the staff would take a good long look at it and it could probably get changed.

Right now there's no impetus to change anything because TMO isn't backing down. Maybe I'll go talk to Getsome/Hoku and get them on board, then IB can be the hero and TMO will be the only guild stopping progress.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons beyond what Sirken said are that C/R FFA repop takes a % away from C's pie

This isn't rocket surgery folks

They don't want to give up a %, and nor should they
R doesn't want to give up a %, and nor should they

Keep the %'s identical to how it is now and figure out a system, fuck

It puts in perspective the reasons, and saying the reasons makes you think about them consciously.

E.g. Currently a class C guild gets 10x of a mob for every 1x a class R guild gets. I would like to hear from class C themselves if this amount is really what they as individuals think is appropriate, rather than saying C/C/R or "we don't want to concede mobs" which obscures exactly how much more they get. This is beneficial for both class C themselves (they actually see the effect they have) and those who are trying to come to an agreement, to see where they stand. I bet that actual amount would cause some dissonance within class C ranks, they are people too after all, most of them good [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is just no help for you. Poor soul.

False again. try answering my question that you have yet to answer. Poor soul.

[Daldaen]

My suggestion keeps the ratios the exact same.

It just removed CotHing, replaces with a foot race/common sense rules. Which will get rid of poopsocking mostly and this will warrant a reduction of variance so that we can raid and not have to devote 16 hours tracking per mob.