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10-30-2014, 01:05 PM
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Get the ground swell of support for a racing FTE, Taken will oblige and still be there competing under whatever dumb ruleset is forced upon us. Guess what tho, after 1 month of the 'new' style of FTE raiding...the guilds which dont compete now....will still not. I guess its a shame no one sees the bigger picture. ( inb4 people quote me and alter my last sentence into something self serving towards my guild ) | ||
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#352
10-30-2014, 01:15 PM
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It will benefit those guilds only when it happens in a bad time frame. Which is literally no different from the current situation. Their class R spawns can occur at 4 AM on a weekday. Knowing that the window goes into that time period doesn't help if you aren't willing to get up at that time. Knowing your window is certainly helpful for more casual guilds, but really only in the favorable time spans for your members. As I mentioned earlier. However if it happens during Europa's prime time for example they may be able to knock out an FFA mob which they never would've socked or tracked beforehand. Or it may spawn in the middle of the euro workday and they won't have a shot... No different than the spawns currently, except you don't have to devote 3-4 people to sitting at designated spots waiting to FTE for a 16 hour window.
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#353
10-30-2014, 01:20 PM
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What is the point of the competition? As someone who has been in that special sandbox, it's f*cking pointless and not fun at all. Ya, sure, getting gear is great, but it makes you feel like a real sack of crap when you're watching rare loot get destroyed that you know someone else could use, just because they're under a different tag. This isn't a job, no one is making any money off of this. Rogean has thrown the gauntlet down on anyone who even ATTEMPTS to make a coin off his server. Hell, he barely covers the expenses to run it through donations, and most of his staff doesn't even play here, but they work on it to provide something for others, because their passions was the programming side and figuring out whether or not they could do it. Well, they did it, but immature attitudes from the playerbase, particularly the raid scene, is just destroying what they've worked so hard to create because people want to throw tantrums over a damned digital dragon and who made contact first? If you took all of the raid suspensions from each major guild, each kill they've gotten, and everything else and put it all into a spreadsheet, I guaran'damn'tee you it will come out pretty f*cking even, with the exception being smaller, upstart guilds being completely squashed at every turn when they're trying to gear up with planar trash drops. Server numbers may visually appear to be somewhat steady, but look around the raid scene. People are constantly quitting because of the horrible conditions of that social aspect of the game. Most of the 'does not drop anymore' loot is locked into characters that don't even log in anymore, the server's only Ton Po's staff is stuck on a guy permabanned for cheating because of this ass backwards raid system. That right there should have been a HUGE red flag that something was totally wrong with how things are being ran, from both sides of the field. Rogean has said time and time again he and a lot of the staff do not play here, which is totally respectable because it gives a totally unbiased view when dealing with GM matters, but quite honestly and with total respect (as sometimes things are lost in the tone of the internet, and want to make it clear I'm just posting this as a discussion statement and not trying to belittle the staff in any way), I think it puts you in a position to really not know what calls to make in regards to the raid scene on the server. It's a whole different experience to be part of the raid spending hours behind the view of a character, constantly interacting with your own guild and their rivals. The current version of the competition aspect doesn't add anything to the server other than more issues for the staff to deal with, so why bring more issues on yourselves? | |||
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#354
10-30-2014, 01:31 PM
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The one thing you guys arguing against racing need to stop doing is disparaging the views of people who would like to try it. No one is calling you retarded in this thread for presenting your opinions and wishes. Each time a person in this thread posts an opinion that differs from your own, you guys spend hours trying to tear it down before you actually give it the thought it deserves.
Using rhetoric like "retarded", "Stupid", or "dumb" to label anyone else's opinion besides your own isn't constructive. I saw Erati use a phrase "He's a bard of course he wants to race" to attack someone else's opinion. When racing was first brought up in this thread you attacked it as a Class C thing as a way to explain away the most common sense way of handling things. Now there are definite Class R players on the record saying they would prefer to give it an opportunity and you guys are quickly finding different ways to attack them or explain away why they support the idea. I'm just pointing out here that you guys need to stop trying to beat down other people's opinions. It's not constructive and it's pretty easy to see through the facade that you just want things your way. Either have this constructive discussion where people can give their ideas or just title the thread "A group of guys attacking every opinion but our own".
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10-30-2014, 01:33 PM
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10-30-2014, 01:39 PM
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What I meant by untrue was preparation for a target definitely aids smaller guilds. Even larger guilds - I'm far less inclined to log in for a 4AM Trak if I'm not already camped in Seb. Fuck that.
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10-30-2014, 01:41 PM
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10-30-2014, 02:01 PM
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Genuine question here to smaller R guilds. How much of your guild parks a character for your Class R targets as is? My assumption is that there is always going to be a more hardcore faction in any guild that has multiple toons that they camp in various places. But that the vast majority of these guilds don't camp out a toon but instead mobilize to the target from wherever their main character is. Is that a false assumption, and all these smaller R guilds are camping out their mains for Talendor and Gore a day in advance? I can see the camp out for something like Trakanon that's a decent run plus clear or CotH down... But most everything else?
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10-30-2014, 02:16 PM
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myself and Trouble already went back and forth on our secret FAP forums about this subject so it was probably left over anamosity from that convo. Apologies. Like I just stated a couple pages ago either: Figure out how to police COH ducking and then we can finitely tell anyone who mages to track to not do it or they will get that char banned Right now 100% of COH ducking by Taken is either done to: 1. Troll TMO/IB into making them COH duck ( who doesnt enjoy trolling TMO? ) 2. Compete with the other Taken mage to see who can COH me in first [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] We have no agenda, no charter, no policy, no nothing in terms of asking our mage trackers to cast coh and interrupt it. Wanna know how COH ducking started??? It happened as a JOKE. 2 hrs left for Naggy Breaken ( calling you out father of CoH ducking ) decided it would be funny to 'pump fake' TMO and he casted COH then stopped it. Well TMO's mages there got scared at the thought Taken might have a 5 sec head start than them so they started doing it too..... There is no nefarious plot here. The rules changed making it very obvious to myself and our raid leaders that a mage coh would provide the quickest route for FTE. I pretty much assumed everyone would also see that. We plvled 1 mage in 1 week and thats all. Never intended to shit up the raid scene or anything dumb like that, simply digested what the rule change meant and adapted what was a successful strat. back to this topic..... The title of this thread is called Stop the Socking. Racing is still poopsocking. Dald pointed out why very clearly so go reread what he said, I am not going to rehash it. It can be debated whether its actually better than a mage COH version of FTE or not ( it is certainly better than coh ducking but whether its that much better than mage tracking is personal opinion ) the point of this thread was to figure out how people would stop shitting in socks to the extreme measure we do now. its impossible to not 'wait' for things in this game, its how it was designed but there could certainly be tweaks made so the poopsock game could be made obsolete. Larger variance windows does not make poopsocking obsolete, it only creates a higher barrier of entry for raiding - see VS pit Racing for FTE does not make poopsocking obsolete- watch Hoku's FTE of Phara Dar....there are way more than 2 'racers' out there herp derping around Viscereal had a PD fte video too, not sure if that was before you guys had official race rules, but there were like 10+ people charging around from your 2 guilds - apparently you are allowed to have 'trainers' n such follow your FTE racers? ( I could be completely wrong so maybe I need the full scope of 'what is allowed' in a race) sorry for the wall of text, but I have given racing plenty of thought. It was brought forth as an idea to me from Mazam like 4-5 months ago and I expressed the exact same concerns I have today. Racing does not work without maps, guidelines, starting points, qualifiers, fraps, evidence gathering, and a large neckbeardy roster who can have people waiting at the starting point for the 16 hrs. Why in the world is that a better solution to anything? again tho, if racing is deemed the way to go, Taken will race. then will be blamed for something else [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||
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