staff run RMT

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Wookiewoowoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server demands zero RMT.
Yet a RMR (real money raffle) was setup. It doesn't matter who the money was for, REAL money was used for a in game item raffle.
If the raffle was for items OUTSIDE of the game this would have been fine (new laptop,tablet, etc...).
Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.
There are a trillion of charities on the internet. Anybody can donate to what ever cause they want at any time. The fact that a item raffle was approved to bring in more donators to this particular "good cause" shows that the people who approved this raffle believe the in game items have REAL money value. Just as any other raffle is.
The people who are in charge of any raffle have items for people to win. People generally donate/play at a chance to win these items of value (granted some do it out of the kindness of their heart but that isn't the majority).
I'm not against this raffle, what I am against is people who make a MEGA FUCK TON LOAD of rules and then when they want turn their head on them it seems to be no problem~

Originally Posted by Korben

As it turns out, the staff can do whatever the fuck they want with their server

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

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thx p99 for saving dying children <3

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

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thx p99 for saving dying children <3

Fuck the kids, it's about integrity of pixels ~

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

Could you clarify what these "specific reasons" are? I thought it was to prevent people from being able to "pay 2 win," prevent drastic economy changes, etc... from running the game. If these were not some of the specific reasons, why have you banned RMT buyers in the past?

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

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thx p99 for saving dying children <3

If you want the explanation to be because p99 is Rogean/Nilbog's server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, then just say that now and be done with it.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want the explanation to be because p99 is Rogean/Nilbog's server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, then just say that now and be done with it.

That is exactly what he said. Learn to read.

[Archalen]

This thread could be the start of a groundbreaking research project on the quick identification of sociopaths.

[Secrets]

I mean, if you want to organize a non-profit charity and get communities involved in it, and have P99 as your base of operations, then go for it and post your own links on these forums after talking to the staff about it.

When you complete the paperwork that Extra Life has done for tax breaks for participants etc, sure, I think the staff will legitimize your raffle.

Though, I think if you defraud the community in the process and/or rig the raffle, you will end up banned and you won't get anything out of it anyways. There's proceedings you have to go through to do a raffle; you can't just post on the forums saying "I'm giving out items to those who donate to my cause". It's a lot more complicated and the staff has to be given notice and reasonable cause to support your goals.

If it's going to your personal paypal and then to a charity, you can bet there's no chance in hell that it will be approved. That's why this Extra Life thing is so great; norova didn't see any money directly, only on his charity page where he can approve it. He can't physically touch the funds.

I'm sure if you make your own raffle with items to give away, and notify the staff ahead of time, they'd approve it. Extra Life operates year round. Example, If TMO wants to raffle their guild bank off for charity, and their guild leaders approve it, I don't see anything stopping it provided they go ahead and mention it to staff and their guild members beforehand.

Actually, I think it'd be cool if every guild on the server raffled off half of their guild banks. It'd be pretty neat.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck the kids, it's about integrity of pixels ~

if you play everquest, you have no integrity. Its a video game son.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, if you want to organize a non-profit charity and get communities involved in it, and have P99 as your base of operations, then go for it and post your own links on these forums after talking to the staff about it.

When you complete the paperwork that Extra Life has done for tax breaks for participants etc, sure, I think the staff will legitimize your raffle.

Though, I think if you defraud the community in the process and/or rig the raffle, you will end up banned and you won't get anything out of it anyways. There's proceedings you have to go through to do a raffle; you can't just post on the forums saying "I'm giving out items to those who donate to my cause". It's a lot more complicated and the staff has to be given notice and reasonable cause to support your goals.

If it's going to your personal paypal and then to a charity, you can bet there's no chance in hell that it will be approved. That's why this Extra Life thing is so great; norova didn't see any money directly, only on his charity page where he can approve it. He can't physically touch the funds.

I'm sure if you make your own raffle with items to give away, and notify the staff ahead of time, they'd approve it. Extra Life operates year round. Example, If TMO wants to raffle their guild bank off for charity, and their guild leaders approve it, I don't see anything stopping it provided they go ahead and mention it to staff and their guild members beforehand.

Actually, I think it'd be cool if every guild on the server raffled off half of their guild banks. It'd be pretty neat.

Now that's a well thought out and respectable answer. Good job!

[wwoneo]

Secrets should be P99 PR representative.