THIS SERVER NEEDS MORE GM'S

[Elspeth]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Elspeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

sounds like a good equation for low pop box

[Nirgon]

Things I remain unsure about:

1. why the respectable community members have to suffer because of the shit bags.
2. why there aren't more in game punishments for behavior on boards
3. why the staff does not name and shame people who do things like this, you're using a VERY broad stroke labeling the community
4. why ban decisions would have to go through anyone other than Sirken/Derubael
5. why Sirken/Derubael can't immediately ban people who treat the volunteer staff poorly or do not listen to their directions. I remember the open defiance of Nizzar when he was told to move his bind from permafrost, why the hell should telling you guys no even cross his mind? Players should be scared shitless of doing something like this. Clearly some kind of precedent was set that this kind of thing was something you could get away with(??!?!?!).

I'm not bolding "why" to be condescending. I'm not bolding "why" to sharpen my tone or the words used. I'm doing it to point out that I'm aware of the fact that these things are currently the case but the reasons behind them are still unclear and the situation does not make sense that respectable, dedicated and knowledgeable VOLUNTEER staff members should have to take any kind of shit from people whatsoever.

Currently you have a system where people can brow beat or otherwise grief the staff off the server and then respectable players in the community afterwards. How the heck is that a working system? What is in the way of revising that? Really if you think of it, the staff and community end up being at the mercy of extremely toxic individuals instead of the staff. I know that's not what the GMs/guides I've talked to want and I know for certain that's not how it worked when I played on live. Instead of blaming you which some people will do as a knee jerk reaction (and because GM is right over your name on the boards and we look to you for help), please point us to the door to go pound on so we can ask them to stop tying your hands.

You know I'm in your corner (Sirk/Deru) and have always stood for a fairly enforced and classic server. I would hope the rest of the community reads something like "people are treating the guides like shit and they leave" and come forth with nothing less than outrage against the people causing it. Honestly, who would be against suspensions then bans for people who mistreat the staff?

PS: There is no way that you'd rather deal with class R/class C and who had what class where in the zone and the rule lawyering/LIES that go along with it over... anything else.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's not even that, im saying, forcing GM's to enforce rules they don't agree with, beyond agreeing with knowing for a fact that will hurt this server is shitty.

lets just be real about what is really burning these guys out.

Boxing will never be legal on this server. I don't agree that guides aren't signing up because they don't agree with server rules. I think the problem is that no major decisions get made up top so no one ever gets appointed.

The current state of the server is that it has strict rules on what will get you banned with no one to enforce them. So you have people following the rules and dealing with others breaking them paired with random bans that seem to sweep the server maybe once a year. The bans hit a very small percentage of the people breaking the rules and then the conspiracy theories start coming out giving the community the feeling that things are not being done fairly.

You either have a no rules server or you have someone online to enforce the rules and vision the GMs have. Being stuck in the middle is not good.

[Elspeth]

makes me wounder if any of you clowns have played on a pvp server before coming here. crying about things that are basically pvp-server foundations. training and breaking actual rules are one thing, but QQing about twink pvp? get real.

[heartbrand]

RZ was basically a blue server not sherrif srs

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by Elspeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

this is the exact statement that makes shit shitty, just because its legal doesn't mean its right, in the middle east its legal to marry 8 year olds. Does that make it cool?

This is a huge problem within azrael, the mentality of its not against the rules.

The rules serves as a guideline and you should always lean further into the rule than stated using empathy and not aim to be a cock sucker.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is the exact statement that makes shit shitty, just because its legal doesn't mean its right, in the middle east its legal to marry 8 year olds. Does that make it cool?

This is a huge problem within azrael, the mentality of its not against the rules.

The rules serves as a guideline and you should always lean further into the rule that stated using empathy and not aim to be a cock sucker.

Having villains is important for a mmorpg. It is actually good having people that do scummy things within the rules as long as they aren't exploiting or finding loop holes to cheat.

[Elspeth]

the server has been gimped to a 4 level pvp range already. cry more. maybe you'd feel better if pvp was just disabled entirely?

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree. If I saw Gongshow boxing, he'd be gone. Chuck 2 boxing in the bear pits? Peace out. Mornin porting himself on his druid? C ya later nerd. Some real life platinum coins hanging from gyno's AoN's? Perma ban. Just like Lite, habitual boxer since day 1, Brainz, habitual boxer since day 1, would also be out of there.

You were guilded with Gyno and Chuck while he was rmting and while Chuck was boxing Gynos rogue aka your rogue Tyrionn to level him to 60, pretty sure you put a blind eye while it was going down because it benefited you.

All and all, you myself and 95% of this community has broken the rules one way or the other, most got away with it and some didn't.