Catherins attempt at lawyering

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

spin, and didn't answer question.

Why did BDA ignore server raid rules, and kill Naggy for Taken, on their failing attempt?

not sure if srs

if you are, you are dumb.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

spin, and didn't answer question.

Why did BDA ignore server raid rules, and kill Naggy for Taken, on their failing attempt?

Show me the rule we broke. Go find me a quote.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People don't work together because there's never an allowance for good faith mistakes. Mistakes between C and R can never simply get a foul and send the other guy to the free throw line. It's always got to be a technical foul with a 5 game suspension and $250,000 fine.

The community outcry for 2 week suspensions (a punishment with no basis in rule or fact) in the Raid Discussion thread is a perfect example.

Taken wants TMO to be 2 week suspended for standing on Sev's spawn point during window

wait

the same guild who recently kill stole a Sev

the same guild who united every other guild on the server against them in a public outcry

the same guild who perpetuates coth ducking?

who poop socks and employs ultra competitive raid tactics?

WHO REMAINS CLASS R?

wants TMO to be suspended?

what a joke

[Raev]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid scene toxicity that underpins this server is a byproduct of a raiding style that was developed at the genesis of p99 and continues thrive today in class C guilds.

EverQuest mechanics make for retarded competition. The whole concept of a dungeon crawl is that you zone in and gradually move through more and more difficult monsters until coming face to face with the boss. When you have multiple teams there, whoever engages the 2nd to last mob will lose. So instead we have all sorts of retarded strategies about how to train stuff all over the place so we can avoid killing the 2nd to last mob at all.

The trivial difficulty level of the Kunark expansion makes this worse, because both the staff and the class C guilds have this attitude about how Live had distinct tiers of guilds. But those tiers were created by the content: expansions were released every 6 months which meant a huge amount of AAs to grind and new items to get - and people couldn't read up on Alla to zip through their quests. That is not the case here: the reality is (aside from VP keys) most R guilds could clear all of VP: it's just not that hard when no one else is there. Instead of creating new content, the staff has created artificial time sinks which make most people /facepalm hard. Then they wonder why no one else wants to go into Class C.

The solution is repops: by spreading the player base out we solve both problems, and at the same time things remain more or less competitive because faster guilds get more targets, and if you wipe someone may come and eat your lunch. Velious will help massively as well, because the targets will be more difficult and there will be many more of them.

Speaking of repops, we haven't had one in quite a while!

[ManosMan]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one, which is why you rarely see BDA at the FFA sockfests. Some extra pixels aren't worth the drama that comes from dealing with class C guilds.

So what you're saying is that there's already a system in place that works how you want it. R isn't forced to interact with C at all. I'm glad your solution is keeping you happy.

[knix]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me the rule we broke. Go find me a quote.

Not my job to educate you on server raid rules.

Answer question please, remember I don't know is an acceptable answer, but there has to be some reason why BDA thought that it was a good idea to assist Taken on their kill. You are certainly butt hurt enough about the suspension, I am sure you have had discussions with your guildmates that were there to know their rational.

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Locust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who poop socks and employs ultra competitive raid tactics?

WHO REMAINS CLASS R?

The horror of another guild showing up

the HORROR

TMO in game- "Can you guys not try hard pls?"

TMO on forums - " LOL try HARDER"

[Man0warr]

Answer question please, remember I don't know is an acceptable answer, but there has to be some reason why BDA thought that it was a good idea to assist Taken on their kill. You are certainly butt hurt enough about the suspension, I am sure you have had discussions with your guildmates that were there to know their rational.

It doesn't matter why we jumped in on a mob that was almost dead (and another group of Taken was running right ahead of us to finish him off), it's not against the rules to attack another Guild's mob in an FFA situation. Maybe we wanted some Solusek Mining gnome faction?

Which is why Unbrella had to resort to saying it was only against the rules because we were working together from the very beginning (despite BDA never speaking with Taken, or getting any share of the loots, there's no way it was premeditated) and thus we had 4 trackers there instead of 2.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/ducks

I cannot believe what Chest is posting. GM disrespect, No concept of what he did to GT, no responsibility for his own actions.
TMO tried to work with whoever was at that naggy raid that day, got no where, there was a clear violation by your team, instead of taking like a man, and own up to the mistake. You played the blame game. I was there that day there was no BDA running in at 15percent, you ran in when taken was failing, while naggy was winning vs taken. Ran past our assembled raid who was waiting for Taken to pull it together or die, so we could engage cleanly after reset. It would have been BDA vs TMO for a clean engage after reset, instead your team ran in to "help" taken. but . if joint raid.. you both had trackers, so liar liar.

And yes you blackballed GT. You even brow beat them for having anything to do with TMO, simply sharing Fear that day with TMO was guilt by association or some shit because you told them to not have anything to do with TMO , like TMO was the Teenage boy with the van outside, and you were the Father looking at his 18 year old daughter, threatening her to stay away from that boy!!!

OMG disrespect to Derubael and Sirken is out the roof. OMG.

I want to understand, why are BDA members staying in BDA dealing with Chest. You all have a thing about being ruled by an overlord?

I cannot believe (well, actually I can) what Knix is posting.

We (BDA) and we (the FAP, yeah that's what we call it) didn't blackball GT. IF TMO was going to try to assist GT in their growth and raid capability - why not help them kill some Class C mobs, train them up so they can immediately enter the competitive class as they wanted to?
As much as Class C says we shouldn't talk about Class C because we don't know the truths, you shouldn't be talking about Class R because you don't know the truths either.

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a clear violation by your team

= Dincarl trains, anyone? PLENTY of evidence submitted on that one.

Listen, I'm not a huge vocal "fuck TMO" guy - I do not agree with many views that much of your guild has, but that doesn't mean they are of less value than my personal views, or for that matter Chest's views.

Chest feels disrespected by Sirken because he was told an issue was handled, closed, done - and then BDA was punished postmortem for it. In that specific instance, it was like the left hand didn't know what the right hand had already done.

Chest and Derubael aren't peas-n-carrots like Forrest and Jenny - it's known. So the fact that Derub was driving the "investigation" only added fuel to that fire. The fact that the GM's RECOGNIZED THE CLASS R ROTATION and leveraged a penalty against our Class R assigned mob, when the determined "infraction" was on an FFA spawn, has a greater impact than TMO or IB determining they will "sit one out".

We took the punishment, begrudgingly, and still feel it wasn't valid in the first place, as well as wasn't reasonable to have it applied to the PLAYER MADE AGREEMENT that is the Class R rotation.

We like the Kool-Aid, we have a ton of interaction both inside and outside the guild. We play other games together, we have RL get togethers and get drunk and badmouth TMO face to face because of the Kool-Aid. All in all, we're a hate-filled machine full of Anti-TMO mongers. Is that the answer you're looking for?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my job to educate you on server raid rules.

Answer question please, remember I don't know is an acceptable answer, but there has to be some reason why BDA thought that it was a good idea to assist Taken on their kill. You are certainly butt hurt enough about the suspension, I am sure you have had discussions with your guildmates that were there to know their rational.

So what you're saying is there isn't a rule against what we did? Got it.