Catherins attempt at lawyering

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[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should the community be forced to decide a punishment? Not even trolling, serious question.

Catherin pointed out an infraction, IB once made aware of the infraction moved. TMO was defiant and trolled in response, never moved, and benefitted from it. Sirken's statement is well known, TMO has raided plenty of times to know this. Why should blatant disregard for a known rule need tacit approval from the community?

I think the complete disregard even after the dialogue shows a behavior pattern that we've seen so many times before. Levy a strong punishment to discourage this type of behavior and to set an example going forward that this type of crap won't be tolerated by the staff or community.

That was my post. "Benefitted from it" is under the assumption that your location aided your ability to successfully get FTE. It's the same assumption Catherin had to make when she said (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know if it helped TMO or if they would have gotten FTE anyways etc etc"

I'm more concerned with the behavior itself and not the specific infraction and/or the gains. I specifically said pattern of behavior for a reason. You can disagree all you want but I'm above the opinion that Catherin shouldn't have to be policing your guild. IB was in the wrong, was told about the rule and they gladly moved away. The TMO response was basically "fuck you, we do what we want" which has been the general opinion of your guild since it's inception.

This pattern of behavior can be seen in the Dinacarl train. "Fuck you, we train if we want" and there next to no repercussions. That's the main issue that I have. Every time your guild bends a rule or fucks IB over in VP you act like it's your god given right to do so and 95% of the time the staff either defends you or it's a slap on the wrist. Every time should be a demerit and those penalties should escalate. Saying that class c (and VP specifically) should expect collateral damage when "competing" for targets because VP is such a complicated zone is bullshit.

You and your guild should be held to the same standards as everyone else. You aren't fucking special, you don't get to stand on a spawn point and Catherin shouldn't have to watch you like a hawk and have multiple instances of fraps proving it to make sure you behave like everyone else. The forum lawyering is nauseating too.

Y'all wonder why none of the class R guilds want to get into class C, it's because of your guilds turns the raid scene into a circus and it's been like that for 4 years. Grow up.

[arsenalpow]

*of the opinion

Going to bed. This server is awful.

[Servellious]

assumption used in the first sentence that right there is the entire problem people just like to assume and have not one shred of evidence of wrong doing I mean ffs the logs show our fte person being out of jav range when Coth'd yet you guys are on a fucking witch hunt. Shit is completely mind blowing. I think guilds and guild leaders need to start getting suspended for formulating fake accusations on other guilds and crying wolf every time they don't get a cookie.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't fucking special, you don't get to stand on a spawn point and Catherin shouldn't have to watch you like a hawk and have multiple instances of fraps proving it to make sure you behave like everyone else.

You're right. He only needs one instance of us standing on the spawn - when the dragon popped. He doesn't have that because we weren't.

[Fael]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was my post. "Benefitted from it" is under the assumption that your location aided your ability to successfully get FTE. It's the same assumption Catherin had to make when she said (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know if it helped TMO or if they would have gotten FTE anyways etc etc"
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I'm more concerned with the behavior itself and not the specific infraction and/or the gains. I specifically said pattern of behavior for a reason. You can disagree all you want but I'm above the opinion that Catherin shouldn't have to be policing your guild. IB was in the wrong, was told about the rule and they gladly moved away. The TMO response was basically "fuck you, we do what we want" which has been the general opinion of your guild since it's inception.

You guys are the leaders of the premier guilds. ALL OF YOU, need to be held accountable for the toxicity that underpins our server's raid scene.

Each of you fire of petitions based on false assumptions on a regular basis. And whatever guild is being accused, whether its BDA, Taken, IB, TMO, whoever, is attacked by the rest of the sharks in a way that ignores the truth of things and perpetuates false assumptions.

I do agree however. This has become "a circus and it's been like that for 4 years." The server is fucked up in this regard, and everyone does need to "Grow up." And it starts with you, with catherine, getsome, TMO leaders. You guys are the leaders. You guys need to stop with this petty bull shit.

Dolic

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*of the opinion

Going to bed. This server is awful.

Dude, fuck this place. Sirken and Deru letting TMO shit on everyone for years ruined it.

Come to Archeage and be a pirate! Tahyang server.

Someone starts some beef, you just go on ahead and fuck them up or die trying. There is none of this bluebie bullshit that goes on here.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was my post. "Benefitted from it" is under the assumption that your location aided your ability to successfully get FTE. It's the same assumption Catherin had to make when she said (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't know if it helped TMO or if they would have gotten FTE anyways etc etc"

I'm more concerned with the behavior itself and not the specific infraction and/or the gains. I specifically said pattern of behavior for a reason. You can disagree all you want but I'm above the opinion that Catherin shouldn't have to be policing your guild. IB was in the wrong, was told about the rule and they gladly moved away. The TMO response was basically "fuck you, we do what we want" which has been the general opinion of your guild since it's inception.

This pattern of behavior can be seen in the Dinacarl train. "Fuck you, we train if we want" and there next to no repercussions. That's the main issue that I have. Every time your guild bends a rule or fucks IB over in VP you act like it's your god given right to do so and 95% of the time the staff either defends you or it's a slap on the wrist. Every time should be a demerit and those penalties should escalate. Saying that class c (and VP specifically) should expect collateral damage when "competing" for targets because VP is such a complicated zone is bullshit.

You and your guild should be held to the same standards as everyone else. You aren't fucking special, you don't get to stand on a spawn point and Catherin shouldn't have to watch you like a hawk and have multiple instances of fraps proving it to make sure you behave like everyone else. The forum lawyering is nauseating too.

Y'all wonder why none of the class R guilds want to get into class C, it's because of your guilds turns the raid scene into a circus and it's been like that for 4 years. Grow up.

Really...show us where a member of our guild said "fuck you, we do what we want". Please show us where Catherin didn't intentionally scroll his chatbox up to hide what the guy responded to him. As for the Fear train by Dinacarl...You overran a guild already in the zone and are partially to blame for his overreaction. If you had been a courteous member of the server and respected that another guild was in the zone 40 minutes before you zoned in. I doubt anyone would have gotten angry and overreacted.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are the leaders of the premier guilds. ALL OF YOU, need to be held accountable for the toxicity that underpins our server's raid scene.

Each of you fire of petitions based on false assumptions on a regular basis. And whatever guild is being accused, whether its BDA, Taken, IB, TMO, whoever, is attacked by the rest of the sharks in a way that ignores the truth of things and perpetuates false assumptions.

I do agree however. This has become "a circus and it's been like that for 4 years." The server is fucked up in this regard, and everyone does need to "Grow up." And it starts with you, with catherine, getsome, TMO leaders. You guys are the leaders. You guys need to stop with this petty bull shit.

Dolic

Exactly. It's the leadership that causees 90% of the problems between members of other guilds. I never have a single problem with the average BDA,Taken,Divinity,IB etc. member in game. Then we come to these forums and see the BS spewed in that raid forum to try to gain a leg up because the leadership of the guild has some sort of bone to pick.

[Lazie]

I mean come on Chest. These are the messages you send on the forums trying to put on a nice face.

"We are Class R we don't want to play your game."

"I have honor and ethics"

This is a decision in game I personally saw you make in game that totally contradicts that.

"They were in Fear first, but I don't care zone in and KILL!!!"

Sometime in the near future maybe you want to try to make your actions mirror your words and not seem like a liar.