Class R

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you clear the juggs which you will have time to do and have the right potions for Trakanon. You can kill him with 15 to 20 people. Just gotta make sure you have the right classes for it. This is obviously a strategy for the guilds that aspire to kill in VP.

I think you're making all sorts of assumptions of what an aspiring young class C guild can do. I'm talking about specifically the examples that came up in the video - GT and Dolj or whatever - as small guilds with class C ambitions, but slowed down by the class R rotation. I don't think those guilds can do what you claim, so those guilds would be either slowed down by the class R rotation or TMO/IB, regardless of the class they chose to be in.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Trakanon is FFA during a Sim repop, I guarantee a guild of 15-20 isn't going to beat a guild like Taken or BDA to engage - unless a more juicy target like VS or CT is also FFA.

Uhm... I said you only needed 15-20 to kill him. Which is true. I've never seen BDA or Taken try an engage with 15 to 20 so I doubt your claims on pulling it off until you do.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're making all sorts of assumptions of what an aspiring young class C guild can do. I'm talking about specifically the examples that came up in the video - GT and Dolj or whatever - as small guilds with class C ambitions, but slowed down by the class R rotation. I don't think those guilds can do what you claim, so those guilds would be either slowed down by the class R rotation or TMO/IB, regardless of the class they chose to be in.

No. I am not. If the leadership is sound. I know for a fact the leadership in Dolj was terrible.

[Juryiel]

Also I should say, many class R guilds already ally to kill their class R rotations including Trak, so I imagine even many of them would not fare well with 2 hours at a random time of day which, to TMO / IB may be an eternity, but a guild with a max raid force of 25 when they know ahead of time a mob will pop is probably not going to happen. So again, I think you assume all guilds have forces available at all times of day. That is just not true for many guilds.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I should say, many class R guilds already ally to kill their class R rotations including Trak, so I imagine even many of them would not fare well with 2 hours at a random time of day which, to TMO / IB may be an eternity, but a guild with a max raid force of 25 when they know ahead of time a mob will pop is probably not going to happen. So again, I think you assume all guilds have forces available at all times of day. That is just not true for many guilds.

Again. It's only because of inexperience in that area that they struggle. You could put one good raid leader that has experience in any of the smaller guilds and pull it off. It's all about the desire of the guilds. Again I said this would only work IF they were aspiring to be competitive in VP. Which isn't your typical Class R guild.

[Man0warr]

Also, no Class R guild aspires to be Class C or they already would be. They LIKE the rotation and how it works (for the most part).

I did hardcore, cutthroat raiding for a long long time. Most want nothing more than what we do now - a couple planar clears a week at predictable times, and 1 to 3 big targets a week that we can plan around.

If people in the guild want more, then they end up RMTing their Trak keys and go spend a couple months in TMO/IB until the next ban wave.

But BDA at least is pretty upfront to applicants on what to expect with our raiding.

Totally different mindset/play style. If GMs do as some suggested in that stream last night and force Class R guilds to Class C, you will literally kill guilds and hurt the server population.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, no Class R guild aspires to be Class C or they already would be. They LIKE the rotation and how it works (for the most part).

I did hardcore, cutthroat raiding for a long long time. Most want nothing more than what we do now - a couple planar clears a week at predictable times, and 1 to 3 big targets a week that we can plan around.

If people in the guild want more, then they end up RMTing their Trak keys and go spend a couple months in TMO/IB until the next ban wave.

But BDA at least is pretty upfront to applicants on what to expect with our raiding.

Totally different mindset/play style. If GMs do as some suggested in that stream last night and force Class R guilds to Class C, you will literally kill guilds and hurt the server population.

Yeah. I was just addressing what Derubel said. Guilds aspiring to compete in VP and Class C new to the server etc. It isn't as hard as he made it sound if they really are aspiring to play that hard.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again. It's only because of inexperience in that area that they struggle. You could put one good raid leader that has experience in any of the smaller guilds and pull it off. It's all about the desire of the guilds. Again I said this would only work IF they were aspiring to be competitive in VP. Which isn't your typical Class R guild.

Inexperience in what area? If you send out a batphone and 10 people log on because its your off peak time you won't be getting trak. Even if you get 15, if they are not all level 60 with decent gear / dps you probably won't be getting trak. This is a common scenario in class R.

[Man0warr]

Uhm... I said you only needed 15-20 to kill him. Which is true. I've never seen BDA or Taken try an engage with 15 to 20 so I doubt your claims on pulling it off until you do.

Eh? We killed him with like 25 in early AM last week and it was a breeze, and that was with some non-essential classes like necros and paladins.

We could easily kill Trak with 18 of the correct classes if we had no pressure and could clear all the juggs - do you think being in Class C somehow makes you a better player? Having some Crown of Riles doesn't change much from what we have available.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. I was just addressing what Derubel said. Guilds aspiring to compete in VP and Class C new to the server etc. It isn't as hard as he made it sound if they really are aspiring to play that hard.

The VP specific part makes sense, but the claim was that even outside VP guilds could move to class C for other targets. Obviously a guild ready to compete in VP would be able to do as you say with trak.