holo vs holo

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but I just generally disagree, in every skilled pvp fight I've ever been in it was important for a shaman to pair with an enc to malo/tash knock out high priority targets. A shaman is not a cleric and shouldn't be played like one. Everyone should be dispelling with pumice on called targets.

You cannot just drop torpors in mass pvp the snare effect will be the death of someone. Every spell is very situational and there is no blanket role for a shaman in pvp. You should be dispelling, healing when needed, maloing, hell even a cripple on a cleric is the end of them when snare/encumbered. While a well timed bane of nife can force a bard out of fight and drop an entire group without speed support.

A shaman is a highly versatile class, who's role can change in the blink of an eye pvp. Sure you can play them like a buff/heal bot but you'll never be a great shaman playing that way and are failing your guild by not using all the weapons at you're classes disposal.

I was pretty clear about torpor being very situational.

Every mana point you spend not on a heal or annul magic is a net loss in efficiency. There is no time to setup coordinated bullshit like tash/malo/cripple in a mass pvp fight. In smaller scale shit I'm 100% on board, an ench/shm combo can be fucking retarded with str debuffs and double MR debuffs.

Dropping a dot in mass pvp means you're either not focus dispelling the called target and relying on melees clicking pumice or casters who can actually nuke doing it (bad), or you're dotting a target who is about to be gibbed by people assisting (bad), or in a best case scenario you're dropping a dot on someone not focused who can click it off and you've wasted a huge chunk of mana (bad).

Malo is basically the same deal, either its hitting someone who is going down like a ton of bricks in about 2 seconds regardless or its hitting someone not taking damage at all. Same thing with cripple, etc. Add to that the first thing that is going to happen to someone getting focused is a bunch of dispells that are gonna get rid of your debuffs anyway.

Mass PVP is all about simplifying what you're doing so the higher percentage of people can be successful. Most people are pretty bad at this shit.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was pretty clear about torpor being very situational.

Every mana point you spend not on a heal or annul magic is a net loss in efficiency. There is no time to setup coordinated bullshit like tash/malo/cripple in a mass pvp fight. In smaller scale shit I'm 100% on board, an ench/shm combo can be fucking retarded with str debuffs and double MR debuffs.

Dropping a dot in mass pvp means you're either not focus dispelling the called target and relying on melees clicking pumice or casters who can actually nuke doing it (bad), or you're dotting a target who is about to be gibbed by people assisting (bad), or in a best case scenario you're dropping a dot on someone not focused who can click it off and you've wasted a huge chunk of mana (bad).

Malo is basically the same deal, either its hitting someone who is going down like a ton of bricks in about 2 seconds regardless or its hitting someone not taking damage at all. Same thing with cripple, etc. Add to that the first thing that is going to happen to someone getting focused is a bunch of dispells that are gonna get rid of your debuffs anyway.

Mass PVP is all about simplifying what you're doing so the higher percentage of people can be successful. Most people are pretty bad at this shit.

I would never spare a slot for annul, pumice. I've never seen someone dispel dots in mass pvp the chances of them getting it off is slim to none with melee's chasing um, plus bane ticks so fast even when you cure it hurts.

The key to winning mass pvp is taking out there bards and healers and when there is 40 skellies it's impossible for everyone to call the right target let alone get on it. Mass pvp is gonna get messy there is no perfect strategy that can be used no set tactic that will work everytime and you have to change things up on the fly.

[Elspeth]

bane ticks the same as every other spell in the game, 6 sec per. cure pots take 2 sec per click, at 2 clicks to remove bane, depending on server tick, you could click off bane before it even ticks once. i agree in mass pvp stopping to cure might not be a great idea, but if you have a melee train on your ass a bane is the last thing you need to be worried about.

[Kergan]

Bards are the absolute worst class to waste a DoT on, as they can click cure pots while moving at warp speed.

Agree to disagree I guess. I would never even mem bane or pox in a mass pvp fight, I'd rather cast winters roar tbo as the odds are it ends up doing the same damage in less time for less mana.

And I've gone through 8 pumices and 3/4 of my mana bar doing nothing but dispelling in a single KC fight before, the one where Azrael got bent over in KC. Shamans aint about killshots dawg. Trying to do damage is a bad way to play your class in mass pvp.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the absolute worst class to waste a DoT on, as they can click cure pots while moving at warp speed.

Agree to disagree I guess. I would never even mem bane or pox in a mass pvp fight, I'd rather cast winters roar tbo as the odds are it ends up doing the same damage in less time for less mana.

And I've gone through 8 pumices and 3/4 of my mana bar doing nothing but dispelling in a single KC fight before, the one where Azrael got bent over in KC. Shamans aint about killshots dawg. Trying to do damage is a bad way to play your class in mass pvp.

As for dotting bards not really, they cant sing and cure at the same time if they go for the two pot clicks to remove nife they're dropping speed for group and someone's getting clipped.

But dotting is totally situational, for example:

Azrael ported up to sky to engage us, Krazy got low life and went for the ledge I dotted him. Dots ticked and he got YT'd while falling. If i stuck to one role he would have gotten away.

It's always better to kill your enemy then let them escape.

[daasgoot]

I generally buff the enemy in mass pvp to mind fuck them into getting killed.

to each there own.. every shaman has their own style.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for dotting bards not really, they cant sing and cure at the same time if they go for the two pot clicks to remove nife they're dropping speed for group and someone's getting clipped.

But dotting is totally situational, for example:

Azrael ported up to sky to engage us, Krazy got low life and went for the ledge I dotted him. Dots ticked and he got YT'd while falling. If i stuck to one role he would have gotten away.

It's always better to kill your enemy then let them escape.

I see 3 total YTs in that fight. How many Az, how many Holo? We're talkin mass pvp here.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see 3 total YTs in that fight. How many Az, how many Holo? We're talkin mass pvp here.

I'm not trying to argue it was a mass fight, was just giving one example of when it's good to throw a dot. Sadly most of the AZ escaped YT due to making it off the ledge.

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to argue it was a mass fight, was just giving one example of when it's good to throw a dot. Sadly most of the AZ escaped YT due to making it off the ledge.

it was a 6 vrs 40ish. we ported up they were siting at the portal fully buffed. was fun tho

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by krazyGlue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was a 6 vrs 40ish. we ported up they were siting at the portal fully buffed. was fun tho

Yea I wasn't trying to say it was by any means a fair fight IDK why you guys ported up it wasn't a good tactical move. And I'm by no means bragging about the kill. Just giving an example of a good time for a shaman to dot. But I thought there was 2 groups of ya's