Nihilum's true form

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough. But I guess I don't really blame them for using that in the argument? I think I even said that. I provided less value. My point was I wasn't going to be forced into an opinion by someone even if it meant my guild removal. I wasn't getting guild removed due to low play time though.

And in another post in this thread (or another maybe) I posted that elitism was one of the biggest differences I've seen between Holo and Nihilum. That starts from the top, and without a single dictator in charge and a bunch of clowns trying to suck up to him, you can feel like if some officer is being a dick you can talk to another officer and get it straightened out. With Niz, it was the beginning and end. Not to say he didn't take peoples opinions into account, he did, but just to aid him in his decision. In the end, it was 100% his.

But that doesn't really change what I said. I didn't feel "left out" or treated shitty because of low play time. It was no secret I was on a perma shit list for my FQing, something even you guys mentioned when Holo first formed (i.e. tone it down or you can't join). Plenty of other people without my big mouth got along just fine and would have continued to do so. On at least 3 occasions, Vapo asked me if I'd pass on loot so someone who was new and hadn't got anything yet could have it (and I said yes all 3). Tune awarded loot to people who had never got shit to a fault, passing on people more deserving. I think this view of Nihilum and its leadership as these pixel hungry neckbeards keeping everything to RMT or for their alts is annoying though. Those dudes got off on pixel showering other dudes.

Elitist jerks? Sure, most the time - and especially at raids. But enforcing some neckbeard only loot rule, or any other attendance policy? Naw. Nihilum was just as loose with attendance as Holo and you know it man.

I am going to just stop talking about it though. People will always have their viewpoint. I respect yours though which is why I took the time to drop this TLDR. Holo is doing great things.

Oh, I agree with you. Nihilum wasn't as strict or hardcore as people who were never in it make it out to be. Nizzar was in some ways, but he didn't enforce things. It's funny because he could be real assertive in raiding and PvP but a complete turd when it came to loot, inner guild conflict, day to day operations, guild bank.

I don't think he's defending Nihilum, BK.

[Malevz]

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be so cool if you all were 14 living in your parents house.

Excellent point. Just don't mention it to girls your age...

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Malevz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent point. Just don't mention it to girls your age...

Way ahead of you brother no female knows i play eq deep in the closest... Playing with the bed sheets wrapped up..

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I agree with you. Nihilum wasn't as strict or hardcore as people who were never in it make it out to be. Nizzar was in some ways, but he didn't enforce things. It's funny because he could be real assertive in raiding and PvP but a complete turd when it came to loot, inner guild conflict, day to day operations, guild bank.

I don't think he's defending Nihilum, BK.

Yeah, outside of the raid environment he was a totally different dude. Even the yelling stuff in TS gets way overblown, I think 99% of the time he was joking around.

Still not a great way to setup a guild though, so dependent on a single person. We saw why when he took a break early in the year and again when he was permabanned. Pretty sure any single member of Holo could eat a permaban and the guild would keep rolling.

And I'm not defending them, just correcting some assumptions I think people had. A guild like Nihilum doesn't survive for as long as it did without a formula that is mostly successful. It is on all of us who played here the last 2+ years when it comes to the situation the server was in. Even the opposition who wouldn't be bothered to contest or have the fortitude to follow through with it aided Nihilum's cause. Azrael was the best recruiting tool Nihilum ever had.

[Malevz]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, outside of the raid environment he was a totally different dude. Even the yelling stuff in TS gets way overblown, I think 99% of the time he was joking around.

Still not a great way to setup a guild though, so dependent on a single person. We saw why when he took a break early in the year and again when he was permabanned. Pretty sure any single member of Holo could eat a permaban and the guild would keep rolling.

And I'm not defending them, just correcting some assumptions I think people had. A guild like Nihilum doesn't survive for as long as it did without a formula that is mostly successful. It is on all of us who played here the last 2+ years when it comes to the situation the server was in. Even the opposition who wouldn't be bothered to contest or have the fortitude to follow through with it aided Nihilum's cause. Azrael was the best recruiting tool Nihilum ever had.

Nizzar was a good guy, that takes a lot of shit that wasn't really deserved.

His only real mistake was, as mentioned, he tried to do everything himself, and the guild didn't seem to have as much faith in other leaders. Well that and pushing the GM's when they were looking at banning him.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Malevz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nizzar was a good guy, that takes a lot of shit that wasn't really deserved.

His only real mistake was, as mentioned, he tried to do everything himself, and the guild didn't seem to have as much faith in other leaders. Well that and pushing the GM's when they were looking at banning him.

Yeah telling Derubael to start lifting when he threatens to ban you, while pretty hilarious is still not a way to avoid a ban.

The Duke and his loyalists are still going strong in Archeage as far as I know. I just couldn't get into it. I'll probably hit them up and see if they want my account...paid $100 for that shit just to sit in queues for 3/4 of the time I tried to play.

[Malevz]

Would be interesting to see Nizzar, Gongshow, and that guy that only manages to stay on top for 2 weeks at a time going head to head to head for control of the server. Based on the way he talked to Derubael I assumed he wanted to get banned cause he couldn't stop playing or something.

[Bazia]

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[Not Salem]

yaw it's true, he got blown up at the KC fight:

Cell Holocaust Twainz Karnor's Castle 0.71 October 12 2014 1:09:48 PM

only reason Cell got that kill was because i dropped a duelist backstab on him first, hope to see him tagged holo next weekend you guys need it

[s1ckness]

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