Dear Azrael

[Concave]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because I'm not going to be making the final calls on disputes like this anymore. IF you have good, clear fraps of being trained that show you being trained, put them up on the petition forum and Sirken, Aussie, or Eunomia will make a determination based on the evidence you provide.

If the fraps are just a blurry mess, or they don't clearly establish evidence of a train when heavily scrutinized, then it's probably best to just file them away in a drawer somewhere.

I guess this works; fraps'll be on for all future raids. Hopefully the tin-can I call a computer can run fraps and 15-year-old EQ without vomiting all over itself!

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Originally Posted by Squire [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

azrael, defenders of the box

Thats the same as ISIS calling themselves the saviors of Islam.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find it so odd that you're projecting blame on people in Nihilum for almost wholly deciding to make the server not suck anymore (i.e. not reforming immediately) but aligning yourself with people who used the exact same reason for why Azrael saved the server.

I don't really remember what was said in Elderan's thread about "the real reason" for Nihilum getting dissolved, but he's pretty big on misinterpretation.

Weeks prior to the disbanding, the Danes made a power play on the officers of Nihilum, presenting an "us or HB" ultimatum to the officer core. Nizzar buckled like a pussy - most of us didn't care about HB's efforts or time put in at that point because it was insignificant and small for the most part. As a player, he wasn't important to any battle (they made sure he didn't function in that capacity the second time around).

What we didn't enjoy and were pissed about was the officers letting the Danes actually pull that shit. The appropriate response just based on principle would have been to punish the Danes immediately for even thinking that was an okay thing to do and to leave HB where he was at. And I actually never disliked the Danes - but that was a dumb as fuck thing to pull, and the fact that it worked was even more astonishing.

Obviously HB was mad when he was booted, and we all know the rest. But yeah, there were definitely some fractious relationships in that guild, hence why there wasn't just another reformed guild with the same people.

That's a lot of stuff that I didn't know but where is the part about me being wrong?

[Tradesonred]

The danes were idiotic, would spam OOC in Gfay about how theyd never allow swedish people in Nihilum. Im guessing they had all kinds of racist reasons to not want HB around.

Really brilliant behavior from people living in a country that was invaded by Hitler

[Buhbuh]

I didn't say you were wrong. In subtle other ways you are hypocritical, but not really on the point of contention.

It was a former Nihilum member disgruntled by the way he was treated (and rightfully so). In the technical sense, it wasn't Nihilum - it was HB, who, yes, was in Nihilum, but not at the time the guild was disbanded.

You can argue that Nizzar was sloppy and flippant about the GMs' warnings, because he was, and he certainly got what was coming to him, but it wasn't him that pulled the pin. Nihilum's demise can be attributed solely to those who sent in the information that incriminated him.

There's definitely a debate about whether Derubael would have dissolved Nihilum had Nizzar been more tactful about the whole situation, though. He pretty much threw his hands up and became even more flippant once confronted.

A good majority of us were all too happy to be rid of the complete waste of space, warm bodies filling the ranks. Vaporize was fuckin' stoked to chill in a smaller crew. I think post-Nihilum it really just became about not having total faggots in our Teamspeak. That was, like, goal number one over everything else (including contesting Azrael). Now that time has sort of past.

I think people are sort of tired of the FQing by Azrael now. Most were hoping some sort of diplomacy/ civilness on this server would arise out Nihilum's demise and a new set of standards would be implemented by the players here, but everyone's just sort of the same antagonistic pieces of shit they've always been.

Dont get me wrong... I think most people here like the idea of changing things theoretically; they just enjoy FQing/ ooc'ing the antithesis of that change even more.

People just haven't realized there's a causal relationship there yet.

[Eslade]

Therapists is willing to mediate a treaty between holo and azrael. Lmk.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's definitely a debate about whether Derubael would have dissolved Nihilum had Nizzar been more tactful about the whole situation, though. He pretty much threw his hands up and became even more flippant once confronted.

Anyone who didn't gain respect for the Duke when he told Derubael to start lifting when facing lifetime banishment needs to rethink some things.

That is called going out with guns blazing my friends.

[Genedin]

I love how much all of this shit actually matters.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who didn't gain respect for the Duke when he told Derubael to start lifting when facing lifetime banishment needs to rethink some things.

That is called going out with guns blazing my friends.

dunno I thought it was pretty dumb and poor diplomacy, he could've talked himself out of the whole situation imho

[Clark]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Idk what this is, but I'm offended.