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[G13]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it was a series of random chances that happened over the course of millions of years.

That being said, doesn't seem like 10,000 books is much to write over the course of the universe's known existence. Really, maybe it wasn't written at all, and it was pieced together in a series of fusions that happened.... Accidentally not accidental. We aren't mistakes, in reference to how we have become to evolve into what we are.

Or maybe it was aliens.

Isn't that easier to believe than in an all-powerful, all-seeing deity of selfless discipline that was written about by MEN only a couple thousand years ago?

Not trying to be offensive, but I find the alien theory the easiest to reach closure on.

10K books in ONE strand of DNA. Can you read?

The perimeters that you outline are pure fantasy. How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing? Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe

I know that's probably way over your head so let's just talk simple proteins. A simple protein (not even creating life just one part of many complex parts needed) requires a precise sequence of 125 amino acid molecules with 20 types to choose from. The odds of every piece forming into the exact sequence needed is 4 x 10 to the 162nd power. In other words a mathematical impossibility.

So how did they magically form in the primordial goo and create life from Nothing?

[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing?"

Who in the hell claims the entire 10k library popped up from nothing? It started very simple and worked it's way to its current state over a 3.5 billion year span. You cant even fathom 3.5 billions years...10k is nothing.

"Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe"

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems always evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium, a state with maximum entropy.

Well, I guess the sun throws your whole closed system right out the window. The sun is constantly adding energy into the system. There goes your theory.

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing?"

Who in the hell claims the entire 10k library popped up from nothing? It started very simple and worked it's way to its current state over a 3.5 billion year span. You cant even fathom 3.5 billions years...10k is nothing.

"Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe"

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems always evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium, a state with maximum entropy.

Well, I guess the sun throws your whole closed system right out the window. The sun is constantly adding energy into the system. There goes your theory.

How did it write itself?

Time is not a plausible answer. Time doesn't write genetic code.

Our Planet and Sun are not a closed system. Laws that govern the entire universe apply to everything contained within it. The Sun is a destructive force and very random. Ever seen what it does to roofs of cars and houses? How about the damage it does to your skin? You're bringing up nonsense that has already been swatted aside.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did it write itself? Time is not a plausible answer. Time doesn't write genetic code.

See now I think you are trolling. Are you a poe? You really cant be this dense, right?

No one "wrote" anything. Mutations happen and nature selects for, is indifferent to, or kills the organism. That is how DNA gets added to or subtracted from...mutations. Who the fuck said time wrote something? God fucking damn...

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See now I think you are trolling. Are you a poe? You really cant be this dense, right?

No one "wrote" anything. Mutations happen and nature selects for, is indifferent to, or kills the organism. That is how DNA gets added to or subtracted from...mutations. Who the fuck said time wrote something? God fucking damn...

Mutations scramble genetic code and are very rare. They don't write legible, structured, precise and ordered genetic code that works in complete harmony with existing genetic code.

Want me to post some pictures of mutations? You really want to claim mutations are the creative force behind Evolution? Secondly where is the evidence on The Fossil record of all these transitional animals that spontaneously mutated into new, never before seen types/kinds of animals?

[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey don't write legible, structured, precise and ordered genetic code that works in complete harmony with existing genetic code.

You keep saying that but we have witnessed it in a lab already. You are wrong. I even sited the fucking scientific papers for you. Either prove the studies false IN A LAB or dont bother me with this nonsense again.

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying that but we have witnessed it in a lab already. You are wrong. I even sited the fucking scientific papers for you. Either prove the studies false IN A LAB or dont bother me with this nonsense again.

Nope

New code never before seen was written in a Lab? Witnessed or written and attempted to be patched into existing genetic information? What specific example are you talking about? A new, never before seen life form magically came into existence within a lab? Amazing! Show me the proof.

Do you understand that DNA is the language of life? It's code. Code is symbology. Symbology is representation and intelligent communication. DNA code writing itself into a new life form never before seen and/or working in harmony with existing code has never been observed in the field and never been witnessed in a lab. It never will be either.

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying that but we have witnessed it in a lab already. You are wrong. I even sited the fucking scientific papers for you. Either prove the studies false IN A LAB or dont bother me with this nonsense again.

BTW an example was already given to dispute this several pages ago

They've been trying with fruit flies for decades. Still fruit flies

The Russians have been trying with silver foxes. Still foxes

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[Aviann]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10K books in ONE strand of DNA. Can you read?

The perimeters that you outline are pure fantasy. How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing? Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe

I know that's probably way over your head so let's just talk simple proteins. A simple protein (not even creating life just one part of many complex parts needed) requires a precise sequence of 125 amino acid molecules with 20 types to choose from. The odds of every piece forming into the exact sequence needed is 4 x 10 to the 162nd power. In other words a mathematical impossibility.

So how did they magically form in the primordial goo and create life from Nothing?

I read just fine, thank you. But I'll leave this for you here to dwell on, unless you are so certain a fake deity created you that you blatantly refuse to check out the shit that can be fathomable. Enjoy.

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[G13]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read just fine, thank you. But I'll leave this for you here to dwell on, unless you are so certain a fake deity created you that you blatantly refuse to check out the shit that can be fathomable. Enjoy.

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Dodge noted

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