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[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No reasoned atheist is suggesting that this is the case. We're simply saying that rejecting any idea that jumps to the conclusion of a divine, unfaltering supernatural entity being the creator of it all is a much more rational and logical stance to take.

So how about a super intelligent entity being the creator of it all? Is that rational and logical to you? Remove divine and supernatural -- would you conclude that evidence points toward these rules being established by some entity?

Or the ship has already sailed and no matter how hard you look at this scenario, someone putting all these laws and rules into place is simply impossible?

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So how about a super intelligent entity being the creator of it all? Is that rational and logical to you? Remove divine and supernatural -- would you conclude that evidence points toward these rules being established by some entity?

Or the ship has already sailed and no matter how hard you look at this scenario, someone putting all these laws and rules into place is simply impossible?

There is no instance on the natural world where design does not implicate intelligence.
And intelligence implicates personality.

If there is consistent design in nature, then it comes from an intelligent source, that is an immutable consistency.

If there is an intelligent source then it has a personality of its own, that to is an immutable consistency.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So how about a super intelligent entity being the creator of it all? Is that rational and logical to you? Remove divine and supernatural -- would you conclude that evidence points toward these rules being established by some entity?

No, not in the least. To believe such a claim to be true, we would need huge, irrefutable, massive, undisputed evidence.

You simply contemplating The Big Questions in life, looking carefully at the universe and thinking, "Hmm, this seems designed!" is not enough evidence. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying it's illogical and irrational to definitively believe that this is the case.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, not in the least. To believe such a claim to be true, we would need huge, irrefutable, massive, undisputed evidence.

You simply contemplating The Big Questions in life, looking carefully at the universe and thinking, "Hmm, this seems designed!" is not enough evidence. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying it's illogical and irrational to definitively believe that this is the case.

When I started out, it wasn't me looking for design. I started by just observing all of the things taking place. Orbit of the planets, cells and building blocks of life, physics and all of the natural laws, you name it. Countless months just contemplating questions that came to mind after observing the world in which we live.

After a while I started to look at how perfect it all was. While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous. When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

When I came to the conclusion that a creator of some sort must exist then I started going back to revisit the various religions. Could any of them have any truth? Keep in mind the first 3 decades of my life said absolutely not. I'm currently a Christian - probably a toddler, maybe even an infant in my faith. If I'm unable to reconcile some of my current struggles with the faith then I'll move on and look at other religions for answers.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I started out, it wasn't me looking for design. I started by just observing all of the things taking place. Orbit of the planets, cells and building blocks of life, physics and all of the natural laws, you name it. Countless months just contemplating questions that came to mind after observing the world in which we live.

After a while I started to look at how perfect it all was. While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous. When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

When I came to the conclusion that a creator of some sort must exist then I started going back to revisit the various religions. Could any of them have any truth? Keep in mind the first 3 decades of my life said absolutely not. I'm currently a Christian - probably a toddler, maybe even an infant in my faith. If I'm unable to reconcile some of my current struggles with the faith then I'll move on and look at other religions for answers.

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

Oh hi r00t.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

Lmao, look at my above post. All you do is claim with no "extraordinary evidence".

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

Which claim?

That probability doesn't favor evolution or that you're a lying fucking fraud?