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[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok maybe I will be more simple and clear for you then you can understand.

You claim morality is a concept. Concepts are acquired and not hereditary.

Religion/worship is a concept it is the not hereditary but acquired.

However morality unlike religion is universally immutable to the human family regardless of your concept of religion/worship.

Example: the irreligious regime of the Khmer Rouge killed millions of people. If morality is nothing more than a concept then we have to accept that as their view of what is right and wrong. Their concept of morality. They were not influenced by the concept of religion after all.

Are you willing to say that the Khmer Rouge were in their own moral concept of right and wrong not immoral in their actions?

The Khmer more than likely viewed their actions as justified. Hitler probably thought he was a pretty rad dude. Jeffrey Dahmer probably liked the taste of humans. What's your point? That is just more evidence that morality is a concept and not some concrete edict written on our hearts by a sky daddy.

Morality is a concept. I can ask you to picture a doorknob. When you imagine a doorknob it may be very different than the picture I have in my mind as a doorknob. Is the concept of doorknobs somehow negated by that? Have humans not refined the concept over the centuries? So yes, morality can evolve through a society and be refined but not everyone has to share that same morality.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in your view evolution can account for morality. However you also state that morality is a concept that is invented and not evolved, thus negating your claim of morality evolving by evolutionary means. After all only genetic traits are passed along to future generations, not invented concepts like morality.

Follow along now...

The evolutionary process created humans. Humans have concepts. Human's pass concepts down through societies. Concepts change/evolve as humans refine or disregard them with each successive generation.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Khmer more than likely viewed their actions as justified. Hitler probably thought he was a pretty rad dude. Jeffrey Dahmer probably liked the taste of humans. What's your point? That is just more evidence that morality is a concept and not some concrete edict written on our hearts by a sky daddy.

Morality is a concept. I can ask you to picture a doorknob. When you imagine a doorknob it may be very different than the picture I have in my mind as a doorknob. Is the concept of doorknobs somehow negated by that? Have humans not refined the concept over the centuries? So yes, morality can evolve through a society and be refined but not everyone has to share that same morality.

The point is that concepts are able to be disregarded or transcended without impunity.

Example of such concepts: democracy, materialism, religion, human government, marriage.

You can reject these concepts as right or wrong and be considered a "normal human".

You cannot reject the immutable sense of morality that says it is wrong to murder millions of people despite your own ideologies and be considered a "normal human being".

That is not a concept. That is ingrained in humanity.
But it is special to humanity, it is not found in the animal kingdom.
It therefore is not a product of biological evolution.

[RobotElvis]

Cannot reject******

[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"You can reject these concepts as right or wrong and be considered a "normal human"."

You can be considered as normal by some and immoral by others. What's the point?

"You cannot reject the immutable sense of morality that says it is wrong to murder millions of people despite your own ideologies and be considered a "normal human being"."

People do all the time. Whole societies do even. Nazi Germany, ISIS, and North Korea come to mind. Just more proof that morality is a concept.

"That is not a concept. That is ingrained in humanity."

If it was engrained in humanity we wouldnt have wars, genocide, and murder. Like I said before, Hitler probably thought he was a pretty rad dude.

"But it is special to humanity, it is not found in the animal kingdom."

Both humans and animals kill each other. Both animals and humans can live in societies where they cooperate and only kill each other occasionally.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It's like the dude never saw a pack of elephants or a pod of dolphins or whateverit'scalled of penguins.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like the dude never saw a pack of elephants or a pod of dolphins or whateverit'scalled of penguins.

Ants, bees, wolves, bacteria, birds, fish, etc.

[katrik]

Fuck religion..! Yay science!

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"You can reject these concepts as right or wrong and be considered a "normal human"."

You can be considered as normal by some and immoral by others. What's the point?

"You cannot reject the immutable sense of morality that says it is wrong to murder millions of people despite your own ideologies and be considered a "normal human being"."

People do all the time. Whole societies do even. Nazi Germany, ISIS, and North Korea come to mind. Just more proof that morality is a concept.

"That is not a concept. That is ingrained in humanity."

If it was engrained in humanity we wouldnt have wars, genocide, and murder. Like I said before, Hitler probably thought he was a pretty rad dude.

"But it is special to humanity, it is not found in the animal kingdom."

Both humans and animals kill each other. Both animals and humans can live in societies where they cooperate and only kill each other occasionally.

So then the actions of the nazis, rapists, pedophiles, murderers, et centra are not immoral but simply a rejection of a concept.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then the actions of the nazis, rapists, pedophiles, murderers, et centra are not immoral but simply a rejection of a concept.

No, they were immoral according to my morality but moral according to theirs. They didnt reject the concept of morality itself. Instead, they had a different concept of what morality is.

If everyone had the same morals "written in their hearts" as you suggest, we wouldnt see different views on what it is to be good or evil in every society. Even within those societies the concepts are debated and change over time.