religion

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd never make the charge of creationism being inherently closed-minded. When used as the basis to justify harmful fundamentalist religious views, then I'd say it's morally reprehensible, but I don't think "closed-minded" accurately represents my beef with it.

I agree anything used to justify hatful actions against humanity should be considered morally reprehensible. But belief in a creator does not necessarily lead an individual down that path.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree anything used to justify hatful actions against humanity should be considered morally reprehensible. But belief in a creator does not necessarily lead an individual down that path.

Then here we can agree. All I ask is that you keep it to yourself when you're in my home or around my children.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then here we can agree. All I ask is that you keep it to yourself when you're in my home or around my children.

You don't want your children to be given any other options for belief?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't want your children to be given any other options for belief?

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "belief" here. There are plenty of things about the universe and the study of science that are hugely inspiring - just read about supermassive black holes or look at the Hubble images of galaxy clusters, or read Stephen Hawking's description of the event horizon. There are plenty of things that can be simply believed with a great deal of awe and wonder under the purview of science without involving superstitious, religious nonsense.

If you were referencing spirituality, then yes I am very much open-minded to that as well. I believe to be human is to have the desire for self-transcendence, and reach a more enlightened state of being if you will. Does this make me believe in anything supernatural? It does not. I believe there is no such thing as a suspension of the laws of physics, and it is this fact about our universe that is the only thing that can be described as miraculous.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "belief" here. There are plenty of things about the universe and the study of science that are hugely inspiring - just read about supermassive black holes or look at the Hubble images of galaxy clusters, or read Stephen Hawking's description of the event horizon. There are plenty of things that can be simply believed with a great deal of awe and wonder under the purview of science without involving superstitious, religious nonsense.

If you were referencing spirituality, then yes I am very much open-minded to that as well. I believe to be human is to have the desire for self-transcendence, and reach a more enlightened state of being if you will. Does this make me believe in anything supernatural? It does not. I believe there is no such thing as a suspension of the laws of physics, and it is this fact about our universe that is the only thing that can be described as miraculous.

So Transhumanism is ok, but any mention of God is out of the question?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Transhumanism is ok, but any mention of God is out of the question?

I don't care about the mention of god or deities - that's going to happen, anywhere and everywhere. But if you come into my house and start preaching religious bullshit, you're going to be leaving very quickly. The study of religious scripture, compulsory praise and worship, the participation in church, will never, ever be mandated to my kids. That is out of the question.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care about the mention of god or deities - that's going to happen, anywhere and everywhere. But if you come into my house and start preaching religious bullshit, you're going to be leaving very quickly. The study of religious scripture, compulsory praise and worship, the participation in church, will never, ever be mandated to my kids. That is out of the question.

Just the doctrine of evolution. Got ya

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care about the mention of god or deities - that's going to happen, anywhere and everywhere. But if you come into my house and start preaching religious bullshit, you're going to be leaving very quickly. The study of religious scripture, compulsory praise and worship, the participation in church, will never, ever be mandated to my kids. That is out of the question.

What if your children are genuinely curious about the subject?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care about the mention of god or deities - that's going to happen, anywhere and everywhere. But if you come into my house and start preaching religious bullshit, you're going to be leaving very quickly. The study of religious scripture, compulsory praise and worship, the participation in church, will never, ever be mandated to my kids. That is out of the question.

Who lets someone in their house without knowing what they are going to talk to them. Unless you whole objective is to let them into your house and ridicule them. In that case, you are just a horrible human being and there is a bigger issue here than what your children are hearing at school.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care about the mention of god or deities - that's going to happen, anywhere and everywhere. But if you come into my house and start preaching religious bullshit, you're going to be leaving very quickly. The study of religious scripture, compulsory praise and worship, the participation in church, will never, ever be mandated to my kids. That is out of the question.

I don't know, I'm pretty ignorant, but it seemed to be implied here.