Demand the Truth

[valarmorghulis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's fair, that's all I ask really. I'm not claiming to know the answers here, I've just decided to make up my own mind about it. I've spent so many hours scrutinizing building 7, and at the end of the day I'm just not willing to say that enough thermite explosives could have been planted on the structural beams of the building to bring it down without anyone knowing about it. At the end of the day I'm just not willing to believe on a dime that it was demolished, or "pulled", just because some lease holder in a business suit said that might have happened, or because fucking Ron Paul says the government is being dishonest.



Ah, I'm glad someone caught this. It is an appropriation of something one of my heroes Christopher Hitchens said, who was very much influenced by Dawkins, so I'll only give you partial credit.

If you disagree that Building 7 was brought down with explosives then you disagree with the laws of physics. It's as simple as that. In order for an object to fall at the speed of gravity there must be zero resistance. This is in fact the case with building 7 and the twin towers. They fell at the speed of gravity which means all support was cut out simultaneously. Even just comparing it to videos of actual demolitions the similarities are painfully obvious.

Oh and people did state that in the months preceding 9/11, there was construction going on inside the building and when people went to the floors that work was supposedly being done on, they found nothing. Very strange.

Sorry but the fact is our government has been infiltrated and taken over by people who hate us and want to kill and control us. It's a hard truth to swallow but part of the reason why they are able to get away with this shit is because people refuse to accept the truth of their reality.

[Non Quixote]

The US government can't screen our phone calls and get away with it, can't spy on other countries and get away with it, can't build secret aircraft and get away with it, can't waterboard prisoners and get away with it, hell Clinton couldn't get a blow job in the Oval office and get away with it. But...

A secret operation involving hundreds if not thousands of people (including some kamikazes) for years blows up several huge buildings, including one of the most secure in the world, kills thousands of US citizens, disrupts the world economy, and not one peep from anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

If our government were a person, he or she would have trouble finding their ass with both hands.

It is hilarious though to see how deep the paranoia goes.

It does burn my ass though when the truthers claim that the planes were remotely flown with dead bodies inside. Despicably disrespectful to those who lost family on them.

[Nihilist_santa]

6 months before 9/11 a series created by Chris Carter as a spinoff to the X-Files called the lone gunmen aired its pilot in which the govt hijacks airplanes and flies them remotely. Also see my previous post and link regarding operation North Woods. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsMG2hHsLo

Just because you perceive the govt to be inept does not mean that they are. There are countless secret operations performed daily. As to large scale events you realize the allies created an entire fake army to make the Germans think they were going to invade through Africa and Italy and not through France and it was kept entirely secret. Perhaps you are unaware that the atomic bomb was created entirely in secret as well. Just because you fail to believe something does not make it true. DUMB or bunkers have been kept secret for decades and require the use of many people to build. The Greenbriar Resort is one such place that was once secret.

Look at area 51. There are many theories about that location however there is little proof because *duh*secrecy. So those are just a handful of examples which sink those arguments.

[G13]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People predict things all the time.
Sometimes they come true.

I didn't say people predicted things. I said the media engages in "Predictive Programming" which is something entirely different altogether.

You are ignorant of what predictive programming is. The Elite that control media/sports/news/music/everything will telegraph what they plan through symbolism. Your reality is manufactured. Oh and the people that control this reality worship Lucifer/Satan/Baphomet FYI.

Here are some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1aifunETmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PSX-GlYz0

Notice he uses the number 42

4 + 2 = 6

6 = The number of man

42 is also an angelic number

Numerology and Symbolism are rampant in movies/music/pop culture ect. You never notice it because you're not looking.

9/11 = IXXI = The 13th pillar

The 13th pillar = The AntiChrist

You really need to wake up out of your coma

The Boston Bombing/Sandy Hook/These recent BS fake beheading videos are all frauds. Deception. False Flag manipulation with the lying corrupt media as willing accomplishes. Your Government is run by a criminal cabal and they are slowly tightening the screws.

[Dr3am]

"I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please."

I did a report on this for college years ago and I remember some of the details, so here goes. It has been a while so my details might be off here or there, but you get the picture.

1) Why did the steel girders melt at such low temperatures?
The answer to this lies within something called phase transitions when you heat metal. Sure the melting point of steel occurs much higher than jet fuel burns, but we don't need to melt the girders to make the building fall. At 700f industrial steel goes through its first phase transition and loses more than half of its tensile strength.
If you investigate the building itself you find that the steel coating the outside of the building is connected to a steel core in the middle of the building via steel trusses. These trusses keep the skin of the building in place, and as major wind forces hit the building it spreads the stress along the skin, through the trusses, and into the interior of the build. When the tensile strength of the buildings gave out, the trusses softened, causing the outside skin to buckle. Once this happened, the weigh to of the building above no longer was supported by the skin of the building in that area, resulting in the top of the building pushing down into nothing. This resulted in a collapse of the top of the building via the 6 stories of melted trusses. Look at it like a straw, and when you push straight down on the top of a straw it holds far more weight than it should due to the skin of the straw reinforcing itself throught its length. Now take the same straw and fold it then try to push down again- because the skin is no longer aligned the weight on top causes it to almost immediately give and no longer hold weight.

2) The buildings fell at the speed of freefall- had you dropped a penny from the top floor at the beginning of the collapse, it would impact the ground at the same time the top floor did.
This is true and the reasons behind it are amazing to consider. The building design (that I allude to above) was created for each floor to hold the static weight of all floors above it. In each case the buildings were struck with between 20 and 40 floors above them- and when they fell their weight became dynamic and not static. When that dynamic weight pushed on the floors below, it actually pulverized them because the static weight is nowhere near as immense as the dynamic weight. Bear in mind these buildings were not normal office buildings- they occupied an entire NY city block. Each. Their dynamic weight was so immense that the floors below could not even begin to resist it- they simply pulverized into dust. The forces involved when an entire city block sized 20 to 40 story building bears down on another force is hard to imagine much less calculate.

3) Tower 7 fell like a controlled demolition.
The lower floors of Tower 7 were completely obliterated by the falling debris by the trade centers, and all the load bearing structures on that floor were decimated. A key structural support that held the entire building together, at the center of the building, was destroyed. This is why the building was evacuated and expected to fall, and why it fell within its own footprint. It's actually a miracle that it stood as long as it did.

4) The twin towers fell like a controlled demolition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/ind...1_attacks.html
Halfway down on the right hand side you will see a picture of the second tower collapsing at the initiation of the collapse. You can clearly see from this picture that the tower top fell to the left and then down, because the plane hollowed out and softened the support structures on the left of that tower.

[Nihilist_santa]

Witnesses in building 7 claim to have heard explosions inside the building. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg

[G13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfsOgRm-pk

Skull and Bones 322

322 = Genesis 3:22

Genesis 3:22 (KJV) - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[Ket]

Originally Posted by Dr3am [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please."

I did a report on this for college years ago and I remember some of the details, so here goes. It has been a while so my details might be off here or there, but you get the picture.

1) Why did the steel girders melt at such low temperatures?
The answer to this lies within something called phase transitions when you heat metal. Sure the melting point of steel occurs much higher than jet fuel burns, but we don't need to melt the girders to make the building fall. At 700f industrial steel goes through its first phase transition and loses more than half of its tensile strength.
If you investigate the building itself you find that the steel coating the outside of the building is connected to a steel core in the middle of the building via steel trusses. These trusses keep the skin of the building in place, and as major wind forces hit the building it spreads the stress along the skin, through the trusses, and into the interior of the build. When the tensile strength of the buildings gave out, the trusses softened, causing the outside skin to buckle. Once this happened, the weigh to of the building above no longer was supported by the skin of the building in that area, resulting in the top of the building pushing down into nothing. This resulted in a collapse of the top of the building via the 6 stories of melted trusses. Look at it like a straw, and when you push straight down on the top of a straw it holds far more weight than it should due to the skin of the straw reinforcing itself throught its length. Now take the same straw and fold it then try to push down again- because the skin is no longer aligned the weight on top causes it to almost immediately give and no longer hold weight.

2) The buildings fell at the speed of freefall- had you dropped a penny from the top floor at the beginning of the collapse, it would impact the ground at the same time the top floor did.
This is true and the reasons behind it are amazing to consider. The building design (that I allude to above) was created for each floor to hold the static weight of all floors above it. In each case the buildings were struck with between 20 and 40 floors above them- and when they fell their weight became dynamic and not static. When that dynamic weight pushed on the floors below, it actually pulverized them because the static weight is nowhere near as immense as the dynamic weight. Bear in mind these buildings were not normal office buildings- they occupied an entire NY city block. Each. Their dynamic weight was so immense that the floors below could not even begin to resist it- they simply pulverized into dust. The forces involved when an entire city block sized 20 to 40 story building bears down on another force is hard to imagine much less calculate.

3) Tower 7 fell like a controlled demolition.
The lower floors of Tower 7 were completely obliterated by the falling debris by the trade centers, and all the load bearing structures on that floor were decimated. A key structural support that held the entire building together, at the center of the building, was destroyed. This is why the building was evacuated and expected to fall, and why it fell within its own footprint. It's actually a miracle that it stood as long as it did.

4) The twin towers fell like a controlled demolition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/ind...1_attacks.html
Halfway down on the right hand side you will see a picture of the second tower collapsing at the initiation of the collapse. You can clearly see from this picture that the tower top fell to the left and then down, because the plane hollowed out and softened the support structures on the left of that tower.

The thing that keeps me coming back here is when someone, like the fella above, proposes concise arguments that get ignored for the sake of continuing whatever ridiculous argument happens to be going on.

But hey, keep on attempting to add excitement into your otherwise dull lives by fabricating conspiracy theories. Your like that chick I dated when I was a teenager who would lie about silly shit just to make herself seem more interesting.

Wait, hold on ...That was a lie. I don't know any women.

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-Ket

[Ket]

You're* - Damn the devil and his typos.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Ket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing that keeps me coming back here is when someone, like the fella above, proposes concise arguments that get ignored for the sake of continuing whatever ridiculous argument happens to be going on.

But hey, keep on attempting to add excitement into your otherwise dull lives by fabricating conspiracy theories. Your like that chick I dated when I was a teenager who would lie about silly shit just to make herself seem more interesting.

Wait, hold on ...That was a lie. I don't know any women.

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-Ket

His arguments are just parroting the bogus NIST report/Popular mechanics smoke screen

The building fell at freefall speed within it's footprint

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