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[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not interested in your ignorant buffoonery

Show me one example of a change of kinds

Show me one example of coherent and intelligent genetic code coming about completely by random chaotic chance from a mutation

Just give me one. They've been trying with fruitflies now for years. Countless generations of fruit flies. Guess what. still all fruit flies. Sure, you'll get some random mis-happen mutations that serve no purpose. Still genetically fruit flies.

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl well it isnt gona turn into this guy overnight

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Yeah you have to sprinkle some time on it. What do you think? Somewhere between 5 million and 10 billion years?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, we're not making any grandiose claims about the universe. There is nothing for me to prove, unless you don't actually believe I'm being honest about my own unbelief, and if that's the case then go right ahead. I'll go on living in a free, secular society where fortunately I have the right to tell everyone who tries to win me as a convert to fuck off and stay out of our public schools.

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

So what you're saying is that evolution can be inferred, but not observed?

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Nonsense

If your claim is true there would be a fossil record that proved this. The fossil record (evidence) shows the exact opposite. There are no transmutational fossils that show any change of kinds? Why?

You want people to believe these phantom changes that allegedly happen over billions of years based upon faith. That isn't science.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

Adaptation

Not Evoltuon

Not a change of kinds

[paulgiamatti]

The theory of the big bang is still just a scientific theory, it's not being claimed as scientific fact. It's something scientists use as a tool to predicate other theories on, some of which are actually testable, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly reverse engineer the big bang and prove it as fact.

[paulgiamatti]

And by the way, there was this pretty smart guy who came up with that theory and gave us another amazing theory that has something to do with relativity.

[G13]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The theory of the big bang is still just a scientific theory, it's not being claimed as scientific fact. It's something scientists use as a tool to predicate other theories on, some of which are actually testable, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly reverse engineer the big bang and prove it as fact.

Where did the Matter and Energy that created this Big bang come from

Something cannot come from Nothing

Where did Matter come from

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

You keep implying belief on others like it is supposed to mean something. You pretend to be skeptical while clinging to outrageous explanations of the universe.

It's not an issue of challenging a belief system, it's the issue that you keep ignoring the only evidence available. If you can prove the fossil record is bullshit than do it! Make millions of dollars in the process and show all of those smug science types up. Just provide the evidence.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

Except we have tons of observable evidence that infers the big bang theory is factually correct. Creationist just point to their holy book. Care to explain cosmic background radiation? Did god create it to fool us?