TLDR Brainstorming Red99's future and why Red is not Blue

[Kastro]

Originally Posted by Not_Kazowi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol sup kastro

Nada, checking out the boards... every once in awile almost tempted to find titanium... miss the game from the old VZTZ days ( dont miss my life from then or how I was)

I miss the era where TZT started swarming and there was still item loot,. Guildies handed you planar armor when you joined... PVP meant something...

What did you ever do with Searyx's Sode of Empowerment? Such a meh item past classic... yet so good for talkin smack...

Remember Piektz kept trying to get me to give or trade him back the mith arms I ganked from him..

There were always such good fights... it was a good era..

I remember there being courtesy and respect to some extent also...

What you been up to?

[Jenni D]

lol, this fucking moron having a pop at Sam.

When server pop was sat around 12-20 people daily, SAMWISE single-handedly recruited, raised and gave birth, as such, to a guild of 40, mainly blue crossovers and some fresh p99'ers.


what have YOU ever done for the server pop?

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to go ahead and bite on this subject, even though I know for the most part anything I say isn't going to be absorbed by anyone, which is ironic because it's the exact thing I'm going to talk about.


Any population growth you hope to see on this server can't be forced with a hot fix, i.e. ideas like variance, boxing or some other sensational idea that you think and will fail to immediately garner results.

The reality is, we aren't going to see an increase in this server's population without changing how we act fundamentally.

Any real increase in population here happens slow and steady, not in huge waves of "Oh my god, they have boxing and variance? Now it's worth my time!"

Now that Nihilum's gone, it's actually the perfect time to change the culture of the server. Top guild leaders in the past, for some unknown reason, or probably for some sense of teenage glee they wanted to relive, would not talk or interact with each other. Lite, Nizzar and whomever else in the annals of Red99 history hardly, if ever, spoke with one another, and they certainly never tried to control their members. I know this because I was in pretty much every guild worth a damn on this server, and every guild leader had a strong suit, but what they all seemed to lack was order.

I get that we're all 20-40 years old and the idea that guild leaders have to put leashes on people is ridiculous because they should know better than to act like children and be completely ridiculous in-game, but it's pretty clear that most people don't know any better.

What I'd suggest, firstly, is to stop being such vitriolic, hateful morons so publicly all the time. Leaders need to muzzle their members. It's actually quite simple to change the culture of this server. If you're in a position of leadership and someone is shitting up ooc in your guild (first you have to actually give a shit about this), then you can punish them. If they don't like it (this is where you stop giving a shit), they have the option to leave. Guess what happens 99% of the time? No one leaves.

Do you know why no one leaves? Because they want pixels; because they have friends there; because they'd be playing alone or starting from scratch if they did leave.

It's not really about being super anal, it's about having standards set in stone for the members of your guilds and holding them to those standards.

Do you understand what happens when new people see other people being nice or courteous or not complete fucking assholes?

This is like 101 for how churches recruit and proselytize people. It's essentially the same concept but applied to Red99. Especially when you're trying to convince blue players that our server is better. Yes, I don't understand either how people can find blue even remotely intriguing, but they do. They haven't seen the light apparently (or in this case, darkness, which we need to change).

For mass PvP battles, when one side wins, it's a nice courtesy to rez one of their clerics after you've secured the zone, dropped the raid target and are about to leave. It's like a symbol of goodwill.

As a sidenote, I'd say that almost all of this server's players who came from Sullon Zek would call all of these ideas "care bear faggotry," but the reality you all need to let settle in is that Sullon Zek had the most heinous community of people on live, the lowest population of any server and, most importantly, the most uninviting population. You can certainly argue the merits of the word "heinous" based on your opinion of what makes a good server, which some people are wont to do here, but as general point of contention - corpse camping, item loot, bind camping, horrendous global ooc, training, hacking and guilds that treat each other like absolute garbage are antithetical to population growth.

Probably several players the community respects as PvPers are from Sullon Zek or very much pro all of those things I just mentioned, but if you want to see the server grow, that mindset can't be at the forefront of how this server operates. It just isn't feasible with server growth. We don't have the luxuries of EQ live anymore. It's essentially up to us to make something work.

Guild leaders need to stop letting their members run hog wild and make real punitive efforts for them when they do stupid shit.

I'm aware that most of you feel like this server is self-sustaining and that the GM's are supposed to be in charge of sorting out the people who act like complete dog shit, but that's not how this server works. We know that know because... look at the population. We've retained no one. It's been an ebb and flow of 100 to 200 people for years.

Like two weeks ago, Sektors left his stream up, implicating his own guild leader (Lite) in a train he deliberately dropped on us in the pillow room of VP. That shouldn't be how these PvP fights go. Guild leaders are supposed to be at the vanguard, acting as an example for everyone else. Nizzar was no better (worse, even), I'm not here to point fingers.

The point is that every guild on this server has, at best, a very loose set of rules when it comes to interacting with other people outside of their guilds. It's just a "They don't have our guild tag? Do whatever the fuck you want" culture we've built.

You've got to have order. There's really no other way to say it. And we're all guilty of lacking it.

I don't disagree with you, all good ideas - but I personally feel that the actual server isn't that bad, except for the lowbie twink griefers. The PNP has completely killed the all night high end guild CCing or whatever griefing was caused there.

End game, and 95% of the zones are just empty, with people not doing much except their standard groups, that's the problem.

All that stuffs good, I just dont' see the hardcore griefing, look at the leaderboard - look at all the empty zones people can level in etc.

[Stasis01]

And this idea of boxing isn't about adding people - well it is in a round about way, but it's a way to get people playing support classes and groups/camps being filled, which might attract pvpers, and might attract traders, and might attract new players etc etc.

[Stasis01]

Also if it sucks just turn it off - everything is all or nothing with this box, and a whole ton of fucking random's and faggots opposing every turn. Box is looking great, 200 almost nightly server select screen.

World still feels empty, Velious will still feel empty - how can we get people filling up camps when they don't want to main support classes.

Shit ain't rocket surgery you fucken clowns.

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Kastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nada, checking out the boards... every once in awile almost tempted to find titanium... miss the game from the old VZTZ days ( dont miss my life from then or how I was)

I miss the era where TZT started swarming and there was still item loot,. Guildies handed you planar armor when you joined... PVP meant something...

What did you ever do with Searyx's Sode of Empowerment? Such a meh item past classic... yet so good for talkin smack...

Remember Piektz kept trying to get me to give or trade him back the mith arms I ganked from him..

There were always such good fights... it was a good era..

I remember there being courtesy and respect to some extent also...

What you been up to?

I'm good bro, those are some great memories you brought up. VZTZ was a gentlemans server. People weren't such nutcuppers as they are here. Everyone is worried about their elf rep and getting YTed.

Too bad we can't go back. I've been playing this server some but lately I hardly log in. There isn't raid or high end pvp whenever I'm online so I logout and play LoL typically.

[Pikrib]

You would need Haynar on your side if you ever wanted boxing, and it looks like Haynar voted no. His vote counts for 10,000 players btw. So im pretty sure boxing will never happen. I would still be down for boxing if the charcters being boxed were below lvl 45.

p.s. More votes are in. R the people voting anti boxing any more legit in your eyes Stasis?

[pgerman]

Boxing wont solve anything, other than gankers running around with full buffs 100% of the time instead of 90% of the time.


Boxxing wont help lowbies in anyway, their groups will still get steamrolled all the same if they are dumb enough to level in unrest or mistmoore.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing wont solve anything, other than gankers running around with full buffs 100% of the time instead of 90% of the time.


Boxxing wont help lowbies in anyway, their groups will still get steamrolled all the same if they are dumb enough to level in unrest or mistmoore.

but it WOULD help groups actually happen. I dunno I played on LoZ with boxing. A lot of these fears of huge 100% buffed gank squads runnin around raping people just didn't happen. most people played a box for support class purposes to make a group work, or a porter/rez bot. sure there's the 1% tryhard super players, but making rules based on the 1% is always pretty bad policy.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by bollo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes my rl brother or a pal playing him ocasionally. /shrug My whistle is clean...

is he related to lite's cousin out of curiosity?