Anita Sarkeesian

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Estolcles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That....... actually sounds like a great idea.

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.

Also she is smarter, stronger, faster and cooler than you are kaga.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.

Also she is smarter, stronger, faster and cooler than you are kaga.

What bothers me is the fact that the vast majority of people playing these games are men. Having a 'strong female character' shoved into the next Grand Theft Auto does nothing to enrich my experience. I highly doubt more women would have played GTA San Andreas if CJ were a woman. The vast majority of the violence in these titles is occurring towards other men.

I mean, I don't go on the internet and complain about how Lifetime or The View lacks strong, positive male characters.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What bothers me is the fact that the vast majority of people playing these games are men. Having a 'strong female character' shoved into the next Grand Theft Auto does nothing to enrich my experience. I highly doubt more women would have played GTA San Andreas if CJ were a woman. The vast majority of the violence in these titles is occurring towards other men.

I mean, I don't go on the internet and complain about how Lifetime or The View lacks strong, positive male characters.

Well, I mean.. what you're saying is that you cannot enjoy anything but 1 specific type of content. Which (and I mean no disrespect to you when i say this) is your loss.

That said, most of what she speaks out about is not that hero's should be female, but the violence the designers pick specifically for women that is the problem. You may not even have to have a strong female lead character, but when a woman plays the roll of domestic abuse victim in the background of GTA, or rape victim, it puts thoughts into young girls minds that they are not anything but prey.

Last but not least, the thought that 'women like lifetime' and 'men like gta' is not only justflat out wrong, but its midevil man, its like the fuckn Taliban ffs. These women we like to jump into bed with, are strong, hot, smart, bad ass mamajamas that like football, MMA, guns, fail videos and motorcross just like any of us.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I mean.. what you're saying is that you cannot enjoy anything but 1 specific type of content. Which (and I mean no disrespect to you when i say this) is your loss.

I enjoy all kinds of content. What I don't enjoy is having the artistic discretion of my bloody, violent, testosterone-fueled, man-garbage games trampled by someone more concerned with an external agenda than with the flavor of the game.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, most of what she speaks out about is not that hero's should be female, but the violence the designers pick specifically for women that is the problem. You may not even have to have a strong female lead character, but when a woman plays the roll of domestic abuse victim in the background of GTA, or rape victim, it puts thoughts into young girls minds that they are not anything but prey.

Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last but not least, the thought that 'women like lifetime' and 'men like gta' is not only justflat out wrong, but its midevil man, its like the fuckn Taliban ffs. These women we like to jump into bed with, are strong, hot, smart, bad ass mamajamas that like football, MMA, guns, fail videos and motorcross just like any of us.

Anecdotally, yes, women out there like those things. Statistically, the vast majority of the GTA franchise's playerbase are male, while the majority of Lifetime's viewers are female. That channel's motto was literally "Television for Women". The same goes for most of the other video game franchises out there.

I don't even like any of those man things you mentioned. Consequently, I don't send letters to the NFL or MMA asking them to accommodate my basement-dweller tastes.

My point: Stop trying to force your personal agenda/values on peoples' means of expression. Ultimately, that's the most Taliban thing you can do.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I enjoy all kinds of content. What I don't enjoy is having the artistic discretion of my bloody, violent, testosterone-fueled, man-garbage games trampled by someone more concerned with an external agenda than with the flavor of the game.



Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat.



Anecdotally, yes, women out there like those things. Statistically, the vast majority of the GTA franchise's playerbase are male, while the majority of Lifetime's viewers are female. That channel's motto was literally "Television for Women". The same goes for most of the other video game franchises out there.

I don't even like any of those man things you mentioned. Consequently, I don't send letters to the NFL or MMA asking them to accommodate my basement-dweller tastes.

My point: Stop trying to force your personal agenda/values on peoples' means of expression. Ultimately, that's the most Taliban thing you can do.

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[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat..

Well you can argue with me vehemently about it, but I was just trying to make you at least think about it. It sounds like your mind is made up. You're the one that said you wouldn't play GTA if it had a female lead character.

But this one point I've quoted, I have to address. Stop playing the victim. Stop it. There are strong male rolls, there are fucking supermen out there. There are very few strong female roles and when there are, in games they are 36-6-36. Do not try to say that because men die in movies that it somehow might warp you into thinking you were fragile.

Although maybe you're right, maybe if you haven't seen so many die in movies and games you wouldn't think that women were out to ruin your video games.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.

Bitching and moaning about tropes in an entertainment medium that she doesn't even participate in is not "challenging" anyone to do anything. She has an agenda to push and she's found an outlet full of impressionable people that are willing to back her.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also she is smarter,

I have not as of yet convinced strangers to give me over $150,000 to produce sub-par content at next to no cost to myself. Yeah she's got me there.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stronger,

She makes a living on playing a victim. That is not a sign of strength no matter what way you spin it.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

faster and

Nah, when I had one day's notice to leave my house earlier this year it only took me a few hours and I was gone gone. She seems the type who would drive 55 on the highway and grumble about everyone who passes her and their privilege.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cooler than you are kaga.

You think popularity is why she got death threats on 4chan? She dumped a bunch of garbage there and begged them to come after her. Guess what, she's not even close to the first person that 4chan has outed and publicly shamed and she won't be the last. Again, she lives to play the victim, this is exactly what she wanted. She poked a beehive with every intention of getting stung. Welcome to the twenty-first century.

So yeah, keep bringing in these oh so constructive pieces of dialog to the thread. You're totally not just white knighting/SJWing up the place... Fuck I feel disgusted just typing those two sentences. Fuck you and go back to tumblr already. Seriously.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bitching and moaning about tropes in an entertainment medium that she doesn't even participate in is not "challenging" anyone to do anything. She has an agenda to push and she's found an outlet full of impressionable people that are willing to back her.

Whoah son, she is very much a part of the video games industry.

Again, you would be HARD PRESSED to find a game designer that doesnt respect her. She speaks at every GDC she organizes game jams accross the country and talks to designers across the world.

She is arguably more involved in the game industry than 80% of the developers in the fucking games industry.
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I stopped reading your post cus it looks like you took me literal for all that stronger faster shit.

So i can say with confidence...

..that this motha fuckn feminist has more of a fucking sense of humor than you do, kaga. That is just fucking sad.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoah son, she is very much a part of the video games industry.

Only after shoving herself into it and toting on like she is some sort of seasoned expert. She is all complaints and zero solutions. She has not made a single plan of action as to what can be done to "improve the video game industry".


WTF do you think would happen a new hire in any occupation walked into a board meeting and started telling the execs everything they were doing wrong? They'd see if that person has some miracle suggestion and kick their ass out when they don't.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you would be HARD PRESSED to find a game designer that doesnt respect her. She speaks at every GDC she organizes game jams accross the country and talks to designers across the world.

Do you know why? Because 'feminism' sells and she's a 'big name' with a large following that's still very cheap to obtain on your roster.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She is arguably more involved in the game industry than 80% of the developers in the fucking games industry.

This part just doesn't make any sense to begin with so I can't argue against it because it doesn't even count as a point.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only after shoving herself into it and toting on like she is some sort of seasoned expert. She is all complaints and zero solutions. She has not made a single plan of action as to what can be done to "improve the video game industry".


WTF do you think would happen a new hire in any occupation walked into a board meeting and started telling the execs everything they were doing wrong? They'd see if that person has some miracle suggestion and kick their ass out when they don't.

Do you know why? Because 'feminism' sells and she's a 'big name' with a large following that's still very cheap to obtain on your roster.

This part just doesn't make any sense to begin with so I can't argue against it because it doesn't even count as a point.

There is no reason to talk to you about anything kaga becuse you will at all costs agree with NOTHING because you are a nihilist.

But go to bed knowing that feminists like comedy more than u do