TLDR Brainstorming Red99's future and why Red is not Blue

[Colgate]

there was once a time where a majority of the people in azrael refused to log on early sunday morning repop days, and those who did talked about how ridiculous it was that nihilum wanted to raid at that hour

then there was a time where azrael seemed to have no problem getting 27+ people on sunday morning when it was guaranteed that they'd be going to a pixel buffet

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meh people already 2 box now. What do you think would happen if 2 boxing became legal? Do you really think they would stop at 2? Call it a slippery slope if you want but I firmly agree it'll lead to people abusing it.

Instead make friends. Sure it's convenient to do everything yourself but I don't think that was the classic vision.

I think of all the arguments against boxing, the "make friends" one drives me up the wall more than any other. What the fuck does this even mean? If you are some guy on the interwebs who found out about p99, logged on to r99, you would log into a zone that has a 99.9% chance of having you as the sole player in it, as well as all the connecting zones. You probably have about 4-6 people TOTAL on the server who you could even get exp with by grouping, though they are probably far away. OOC is spamming ridiculous shit at you, and when you finally do find a group, you're both melees or healers and have no insert: Tank / CC / Healer, so you can't do shit. You could be Ryan Seacrest and still have no one to play with.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also puts anyone who doesn't like boxing like myself at a major disadvantage thus you create a population less friendly to casuals than it already is.

How so? That's a big claim.

You don't play here, you don't PVP here, you post on the forums - I can't follow this logic pls provide me even hypothetical situations as I know you can't give me any real ones as you do not play.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also puts anyone who doesn't like boxing like myself at a major disadvantage thus you create a population less friendly to casuals than it already is.

It actually doesn't. You indirectly benefit from boxing because now there are more groups to join that never happened before because essential classes were missing. There's also more accessible ports and more people to PVP. The vast majority of people boxing do so in order to port themselves / buff, and to box a support class in order to make a group viable. 99% of the people aren't some boxing cyborg Sam Deathwalker pros binding moves to their mouse with 100 keys under their left thumb.

[Stasis01]

I am sure Samwise would be able to PL lowbie grps for 30 hrs a year with boxing enabled, but who knows I guess.

[Gaffin 7.0]

yeah boxing could help but 5 boxes on autofollow gonna make it look like ez server quick

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was once a time where a majority of the people in azrael refused to log on early sunday morning repop days, and those who did talked about how ridiculous it was that nihilum wanted to raid at that hour

then there was a time where azrael seemed to have no problem getting 27+ people on sunday morning when it was guaranteed that they'd be going to a pixel buffet

I wasn't there this last Sunday I worked, but I don't think those kids will sustain all targets - and Trakanon was up for days so I see the proof within weeks?

We'll see, obviously Azrael has worked harder than any other guild to get raid content, and now that they can they are taking advantage of it.

The real RMT test and sickness test comes when everyone has all the gear they want, if they keep farming it for a few years more just for fun.

[SamwiseRed]

You also think Variance is a good idea so I can see why we will never see eye to eye.

I'll admit I may be the minority but as a casual player IE I play whenever I have time and no more, boxing would be a turn off. I stated my opinion, no need to attack my character.

[heartbrand]

I guess the people OOCing for hours on end, "Unrest looking for a healer" should just learn how to make friends. Isn't that what blue's all about? Don't you need a rollodex of friends in order to get a group there? Wait... there's 1000+ pop and groups are a dime a dozen? Oh ok.


THERE ARENT GROUPS NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS BUT BECAUSE THERES FEW TO NO PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Gaffin 7.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah boxing could help but 5 boxes on autofollow gonna make it look like ez server quick

That's against the rules, and allowing 1 box doesn't make 5 boxing any easier or easier to get away with, all scare tactics, all garbage.