heartbrand appreciation thread

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ve read the so called Wall of text, it was just a couple of paragraphs though, did anyone here ever read a book ?

What i got from it was that anecdotal evidence, from people that has been kicked out of the guild and as such arent best friends with us, is as good as real evidence. Nizze was banned for having broken no single rule since his slap on the wrist for the small rmt (derubaels own words was "small fish") even though he followed the rules laid down by Sirken. In which he had to step down as guildleader, and assume no ingame role in leadership. Our TS, our forums were mentioned as out of game. What Nizzar did there was supposedly our own business... Until Derubael decided that nolonger was the case. Indeed, in the "Wall of text" Derubael even admit he 'might ve agreed to this too'.

What triggered this initially was a forum title (not p99 forums) which he had carried for 3 years. Heartbrand was recently kicked out of the guild after a lengthy debate and app, he is not going to be your best source of truth about nihilum, right now... But i bet he got plenty of anecdotal evidence for RMT and macros inside Nihilum, dont forget to back such claims up with facts. I played a role in getting HB kicked out this time around, i shall await my ban i guess.

So changing of your own rules and listening to the forumtrolls led to the disbanding of the only guild to consistently play the server for 3 years.

Do you really want anyone to play here at all ?

checkmate

but ultimately you have control of the ban switch so you do what u want

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[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ve read the so called Wall of text, it was just a couple of paragraphs though, did anyone here ever read a book ?

Can anyone confirm that there is a ~2-3 paragraph version of my original PM being sent around to Nihilum members instead of the original full-length one?

I'm actually worried that some vindictive ass took my original PM and cut it down/edited it to say something completely different. I wrote the original at the request of a very polite Nihilum member who was confused about what happened and told me others felt the same way - so I wrote up a short story on the events that took place. It was long, and says hardly anything that Labanen is claiming it said.

Another dirty trick, or Labanen's poor reading comprehension...?

[Jenni D]

well, who did you give said tale to originally? Probably cut and edited to try keep the troops together in future, at a guess.

[Eslade]

I would not Tldr if said post made it to these forums.

[Labanen]

My reading comprehension is fine, i just disagree with the whole wall of text concept, im not impressed with a post because its more than 5 lines. I read the full 19 paragraphs, and im sorry if i hurt your feelings by making it sound like it wasnt huge.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or is anyone really going to try and stick to the story that Nizzarr was just a basic member and didn't have his hand in leading the guild at all?

Of course he did, as per the agreement with Sirken that went on in our forums and in our TS. If there is a line of text or two slipped into /gu thats wrong, but hardly enough to ban for life and nuke a guild ?!?

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lastly, RMT is RMT, and Nizzarr was a guild leader. How much we caught him for doesn't matter. The guild should have been disbanded just from that, but we wanted to give you guys another shot to get it right because it made up such a large chunk of the population. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

He broke the rules as a guild leader and got punished accordingly.

RMT is RMT, and i never disagreed with anyone getting banned for that. Nizzar did get several geared toons banned, including several he had just logged on to a few times. for a small fish, thats alot. I dont get why Nizzar get the Cast treatment, while Sektor goes on your Stream as a guest. You can throw your guildleader argument around as much as you want, as i see it, thats the only difference... except of course the shear scale in which Sektor was far beyond what Nizzar did according to yourself.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My reading comprehension is fine, i just disagree with the whole wall of text concept, im not impressed with a post because its more than 5 lines. I read the full 19 paragraphs, and im sorry if i hurt your feelings by making it sound like it wasnt huge.

Of course he did, as per the agreement with Sirken that went on in our forums and in our TS. If there is a line of text or two slipped into /gu thats wrong, but hardly enough to ban for life and nuke a guild ?!?

RMT is RMT, and i never disagreed with anyone getting banned for that. Nizzar did get several geared toons banned, including several he had just logged on to a few times. for a small fish, thats alot. I dont get why Nizzar get the Cast treatment, while Sektor goes on your Stream as a guest. You can throw your guildleader argument around as much as you want, as i see it, thats the only difference... except of course the shear scale in which Sektor was far beyond what Nizzar did according to yourself.

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[Labanen]

quality gif, btw I must ve played with you on the CT server :-)

[qwerty]

good riddens. going to be a high high high population this weekend with nihilium gone

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My reading comprehension is fine, i just disagree with the whole wall of text concept, im not impressed with a post because its more than 5 lines. I read the full 19 paragraphs, and im sorry if i hurt your feelings by making it sound like it wasnt huge.

The size is irrelevant, "wall-of-text" is a running joke used to describe anything that... looks like a wall-of-text. My concern was that you read an entirely different PM, since you cited reading 2 paragraphs as opposed to the PM that I wrote, which was much longer.

Originally Posted by Labanen

Of course he did, as per the agreement with Sirken that went on in our forums and in our TS. If there is a line of text or two slipped into /gu thats wrong, but hardly enough to ban for life and nuke a guild ?!?

So, correct me if I'm wrong here but - you're not refuting that Nizzarr was taking a leadership position, you're just upset that he slipped up and got caught doing it in-game.

Your guild leader was caught selling items out of your guilds loot drops/bank. He shouldn't have even been part of the guild at that point. The fact that you not only chose to accept him back into the guild after that, but also followed him as a leader is a slap in the face to the staff.

The fact that he got caught doing it and wound up getting the punishment he should have gotten the first time around is something everyone will have to accept and move on from.

Originally Posted by Labanen

RMT is RMT, and i never disagreed with anyone getting banned for that. Nizzar did get several geared toons banned, including several he had just logged on to a few times. for a small fish, thats alot. I dont get why Nizzar get the Cast treatment, while Sektor goes on your Stream as a guest. You can throw your guildleader argument around as much as you want, as i see it, thats the only difference... except of course the shear scale in which Sektor was far beyond what Nizzar did according to yourself.

...Sorry? Sektor got everything he had ever logged into even a single time banned. I should know, I had to sort through the ban appeals just like I did with Nizzarr - and we followed the same criteria for unbanning the accounts in both situations.

The difference, as you pointed out, is that Nizzarr led a guild - he was held to a higher standard and since he was, you know, a guild leader, his actions reflect on the rest of the guild as a whole. Despite this fact we still allowed him to not only play, but be a part of the guild that should have been disbanded in the first place.

I am sorry that you are upset but Nizzarr broke a rule and got punished for it. He was allowed a sort of amnesty so long as he followed an agreement that we had laid out. He broke that agreement and got punished again. The only person you all have to blame is Nizzarr for not following instructions.

Edit: I almost forgot the most important part. We don't discriminate on our stream, as can be evidenced by inviting Salty of all people to join us. If Nizzarr ever wants to come pal around he's welcome to do so anytime. I don't hold any ill will towards him or Nihilum, and there will always be an open invitation for him to come join us.

[qwerty]

pras GMS. Id say 90% of the server is happy the rest are nihilium and still backing up nizzar when he was clearly in the wrong. even had the balls to shit talk you as you explain it to him