Michael Brown

[Sidelle]

I wish people could see how easily they are being used by agitators like Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers. Makes me sick.

They love having everyone divided and fighting against each other. I'm thinkng maybe some of the stuff I've heard is true. The looters (most of them) maybe not from Ferguson at all?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What will be important is whether Mr. Brown then turned around and ran towards the officer in an aggressive manner.

So running towards a cop warrants being shot multiple times? I mean couldn't he have gotten into his car and driven away/called for backup when the dude turned to run away from him?? I thought Lethal Force was only to be used as a last resort; when faced with lethal force.

I guess things are rapidly changing in this country, though. If you do a little google searching it becomes clear that unarmed people are gunned down by murderous police with an alarming frequency. I just read a story about a unarmed woman being shot by a police officer for rolling up her window; insanity. Something obviously has to change about the way this country is being policed.


Whatever happened to all of the police forces around the country investing in non-lethal weaponry to avoid situations such as this? I mean the police I'm seeing on the news are in full military equipment; but they can't afford tasers for their officers?
Someone was unnecessarily killed by a police officer who was obviously not trained enough to deal with the situation he found himself in that day.

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your judgment of what is "on point" is pretty off point. Nobody said he was shot for being a thug. The whole debate is about whether he was engaged in assaulting a police officer, which is the only thing that really matters here. Did he pose imminent bodily harm to another human being? If so, the shooting is warranted. That is all that really matters, and a comment saying "he should have never been shot dead" is completely pointless as it just expresses one person's opinion.

It's a worthless debate compared to the culture resulting from police force militarization. This specific case is merely a symptom of an underlying issue.

[ManosMan]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So running towards a cop warrants being shot multiple times? I mean couldn't he have gotten into his car and driven away

..... come on .......................

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So running towards a cop warrants being shot multiple times?

In many cases, yes.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So running towards a cop warrants being shot multiple times? I mean couldn't he have gotten into his car and driven away/called for backup when the dude turned to run away from him?? I thought Lethal Force was only to be used as a last resort; when faced with lethal force.

Actually, police are allowed to use lethal force in two instances:
1) Self defense or defense of another
2) If they think the person just committed a felony assault

Both apply here. And the cop is required to pursue a suspect who just assaulted him. Do you really think our cops should just run away in a situation like this? What an absurd and foolish position to take. It makes one think you don't know much about anything at all.

I guess things are rapidly changing in this country, though. If you do a little google searching it becomes clear that unarmed people are gunned down by murderous police with an alarming frequency. I just read a story about a unarmed woman being shot by a police officer for rolling up her window; insanity. Something obviously has to change about the way this country is being policed.

If there are other cases where innocent people are being killed by police, then we should be pushing for those police to be prosecuted as criminals. Rallying around this particular case may not be fruitful. I have read a lot of stories about police killing people without cause and this one doesn't seem like the best example of police misconduct.

Whatever happened to all of the police forces around the country investing in non-lethal weaponry to avoid situations such as this? I mean the police I'm seeing on the news are in full military equipment; but they can't afford tasers for their officers?
Someone was unnecessarily killed by a police officer who was obviously not trained enough to deal with the situation he found himself in that day.

That's about the only good point you've made here. I don't know what the issues are regarding non-lethal vs lethal weapon usage, but it would be nice if we had non-lethal alternatives used more often.

[radditsu]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1952035/


White kid charged police...naked.... got murdered. I used to work there

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The gun reaching is not going to be a big part of the investigation here. Even by the officer's account, the gun reaching occurred prior to Mr. Brown retreating. The officer does not claim that Mr. Brown was reaching for the gun a second time, so that's kind of moot. You can't just shoot someone who reached for a gun once if they are in the act of retreating. What will be important is whether Mr. Brown then turned around and ran towards the officer in an aggressive manner.

That is a single altercation. Why are you trying to turn it into two separate situations? When Brown turned around and charged the cop, he was still the person who had just tried to take his weapon. Nothing had changed so stop pretending it's not relevant when it's literally the most relevant point when determining if it was excessive force or not.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So running towards a cop warrants being shot multiple times?

Immediately after trying to take the cops gun? Yes. Every time, without question.

I mean couldn't he have gotten into his car and driven away/called for backup when the dude turned to run away from him?? I thought Lethal Force was only to be used as a last resort; when faced with lethal force.

Is this some sort of sick joke? Police officers are not supposed to abandon the scene of a crime unless ordered to do so with the exception being to pursue a suspect.

Whatever happened to all of the police forces around the country investing in non-lethal weaponry to avoid situations such as this? .

That failed. Same number of people got shot. A whole new group of people got tazed.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by ManosMan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..... come on .......................

haha no doubt. Someone running at me and I have a gun out, I'm unloading. Then I'm pulling out another clip and unloading again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
And when I say unloading, I'm speaking from the front of the barrel.

Yes yes the liberal "equal proportions" thing. If someone is trying to beat your brains out, you must respond in equal proportions or you are guilty. If someone comes at you with a baseball bat, you need to find a baseball bat, yourself. If someone is charging at you to snap your neck, you must run in the opposite direction and cry for help or you are guilty. However, when it's the liberal in the path of certain death, well that is a game changer and the rules don't apply.

What's required to be good for you and I is not always good for them. Good example here. Top advocate of gun control (i.e. taking away peoples guns) caught arms trafficking... lol? D-San Francisco, Sen. Leland Yee. Big time busted, but a surprise? No. The rules only apply to you and I, not to them.

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wish people could see how easily they are being used by agitators like Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers. Makes me sick.

They love having everyone divided and fighting against each other. I'm thinkng maybe some of the stuff I've heard is true. The looters (most of them) maybe not from Ferguson at all?

Al Sharpton, Black Panthers, Obama, Michael Brown... you seem to have a healthy curiosity for a certain race of people.