HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Bardalicious]

Pan, I really don't know how you think posting all of that could possibly make you look any better in all of this. Also, I screen capped my entire petition thread before deru deleted it. So if you really need me to discredit another one of your desperate attempts to undermine my intentions just to save face I sure can. Not once in my petition did I ever ask for access back to Drowed. Do I miss that character? Sure! Would I ever attempt some shady ploy to steal her back from the owner of that account? Nope. Only one of us fits that bill...

[Rekrul]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a difference between knowing a character is yours, and going into the logs to prove it. I have no need to discredit assisting you - frankly, I don't need to give a reason at all, but the big sticking point here is that we never supported account trades, and all trades were done at your own risk. I'm not going to spend a bunch of time digging up logs (which I would need to do to before going to Rogean), then going to Rogean and asking him to go digging for logs (instead of spending his P99 time on improving the box) just to verify everything and reset your account. And yes, we do have to verify, regardless of what we "know".

Again, for something we do not support, have never supported, and never will support. There are other people out there who have problems that weren't a result of their own poor judgement that we need to help.

I understand the frustration, but you have to look at this objectively from our viewpoint - we need to take the whole picture into account, not just as it pertains to Bardalicious and Cloki. There is so much work to do and so little time to do it that we have to turn people away when necessary.

If you'd like to pursue the matter further, you are welcome to do so by messaging Rogean - but I guarantee that not only will his answer be the same as mine, but you would have gotten faster results by just taking Cloki's offer (which, IMO, is generous considering he really isn't obligated to do anything at all).

Good luck.

Its generous? He stole his fucking account.

[Swish]

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[Tuffpuppy]

GMs having no action after this dude is stealing accounts. Not surprised there. Just because there was a change in account recovery doesn't give this guy the right to change the password and play an account that isn't his. GMs should make special cases out of this SMS change because honestly it took way too many years to put this change in. Doesn't seem fair.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Rekrul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its generous? He stole his fucking account.

After reading the first half of Pans transcript (putting things into perspective), I'd say he's in the right technically and see why the GM's are ignoring the issue. imo it's false advertisement, the seller should have mentioned that it was a 'shared account'. The emu account imo is a single account, and you get to make three sub accounts attached to that. And that being to the original buyer, and then passed to yet another buyer, Pan. Technically, the seller goofed big time, and I don't see as having any real claim to the account. I don't see it as "stole".

But then if originally advertised as a 'shared account' I don't even see how that would make a difference, especially with the chance it could be sold again. That is just the gamble that the seller took, rolled and lost, for a few plats. Roll a new cleric, stop trying to get the accounts banned.

/thread

[Bardalicious]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

Oh, and also that Pan probably shouldn't be a leader of any guild that hopes to present itself as respectable.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading the first half of Pans transcript (putting things into perspective)

Is that the part where he's acting polite to me in PMs but petitioning at the same time to GM's that I'm harassing him and acting shocked that someone else could possibly have one of the accounts he stole locked by the GMs?

Heh.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

I've had GMs help me more than a few times. I don't think I'm unique in that respect. So, while I get your frustration, its just not true that "GM's have no intention of working to help you if something goes wrong."---all your situation proves is that they have no intention of helping you in this situation for specific reasons. Extrapolating past that is not valid.

You might be right about being the rightful owners of these disputed accounts.

There really isn't enough information provided on the agreement(s) made during the sales that took place. Without knowing the exact terms of each deal (of which there are several chained together to bring the story to this point) or what the guidelines are for enforcement then there is really no way of sorting it out correctly each and every single time. The problem with resolving cases like this (not just yours) is that the type of evidence needed to deprive someone of account ownership has to be EXTREMELY high for the GMs to intervene; often this type of evidence simply can't/doesn't exist. But the precedent of erring on the side of caution before forcing ownership of accounts to change hands makes prudent sense to me.

I've been on this server from the beginning. Transferring accounts has been, at best, a very risky and not officially supported marketplace by the staff. Situations like these are certainly part of the reason why the prudent decision of the staff was to make account sales for virtual goods against the rules.

There is an interesting question about the SMS changes creating what were probably unintended issues for past-sold accounts that would have previously been insulated at the time of the sale now being unprotected.

The only lesson here for other players is really not to give out account information, ever.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that the part where he's acting polite to me in PMs but petitioning at the same time to GM's that I'm harassing him and acting shocked that someone else could possibly have one of the accounts he stole locked by the GMs?

Heh.

I'm not basing my judgement (in the forum of public opinion) off of character, be it whatever he said or what you are saying here against him. I'm just looking at the technicality of the issue. My highschool days of judgement by popularity is long behind me, long since graduated into the real world.

However, he did make an offer, far beyond any requirement on his part, which really is no requirement in this case. Personally, I would have never offered as he did, I know that, I never account share for many reasons.

If you start a new cleric now, you may have it to lvl50 by the time velious is released here. Nothing personal against you, myself I'd just walk away from it and re-roll.

Better lucks.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take solace in the fact that there are people reasonable enough to see how unreasonable this situation is. If nothing else comes of this thread, let it serve as a warning to others that the GM's have no real intention of working to help you if something goes wrong.

Oh, and also that Pan probably shouldn't be a leader of any guild that hopes to present itself as respectable.

You knew full well when you sold the account that any resultant inconvenience to yourself was not going to be resolved by a GM. Account trades and sales were always at the seller/buyers risk. You're only a victim of your own poor decisions. Sure Cloki could give you the account back if he wanted, but he doesn't want to. That was part of the risk you took when you sold the master account. That's why GMs won't get involved in these disputes, its too much work just to undo someone's mistake that they were already warned not to make. Quit trying to vilify the staff for your poor judgment.