Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order - Page 51

Kingore · #**501** 07-31-2014, 07:58 AM

Didn't read this thread.

Just wanted to point out that the 10 minute attempt by IB to resolve this with TMO over 2+ months was not in good faith. You know what IB gets for not following the rules? Derubael saying "I am going to talk to Hokushin about that."

Why work things out when the GM's won't enforce their own petition rules?

Tiggles · #**502** 07-31-2014, 08:26 AM

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Didn't read this thread.

Just wanted to point out that the 10 minute attempt by IB to resolve this with TMO over 2+ months was not in good faith. You know what IB gets for not following the rules? Derubael saying "I am going to talk to Hokushin about that."

Why work things out when the GM's won't enforce their own petition rules?

This is why we are starting petitionquest 2014 again.

IB nonstop sends petitions in and we try to work things out only to be shit on by our good faith.

no longer.

Ella`Ella · #**503** 07-31-2014, 09:13 AM

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Yet this doesn't match up what the staff talked to with the players in question. It's pretty fucking simple dude. Your puller had FTE on Hosh, he and your guild was responsible for what it does while you train it away. Even in death of a puller. This goes for IB, TMO, BDA, Taken or Intense Cocksuckers of Norrath. If you have FTE and training shit around, you are responsible for it. End of story.

I can make it simple

Sirken: Who had agro on Hosh and training stuff up?

TMO : We had FTE on hosh and was training everything up.

IB: Sounds about right.

Sirken: Did Hosh come to zone in because IB had agro?

IB: Seems like it, not sure how we had agro
TMO : Well we trained shit up and Hosh passed next to Xygoz on your pull while you were waiting to engage.

Sirken: Oh, so the train up gained social agro onto Hoku, and when your puller died it went to zone in for IB?

IB+TMO: Seems like that could be the case

Sirken : Any rebuttals?

TMO: Well they should know they have agro if we lose our train/pull. It's not our fault they didn't derail it or camp out in time.

Sirken, Derubael, Rogean: .................

This very easily could be tmo in the position of IB. If it happens, petition away and get them suspended for the same thing.

Not sure where you're getting your information, but Sirken spoke to us once. During that conversation "social aggro" was never mentioned and neither was Hoshkar. Only druushk was spoken about. After that was disproved, on the next call with deru, hokushin switched gears to hoshkar and druushk was never mentioned. So either staff is full of shit, IB is full of shit or you're all full of shit.

thieros · #**504** 07-31-2014, 09:26 AM

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Not sure where you're getting your information, but Sirken spoke to us once. During that conversation "social aggro" was never mentioned and neither was Hoshkar. Only druushk was spoken about. After that was disproved, on the next call with deru, hokushin switched gears to hoshkar and druushk was never mentioned. So either staff is full of shit, IB is full of shit or you're all full of shit.

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Samoht · #**505** 07-31-2014, 09:27 AM

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But TMO drops all aggro when IB is about to engage and tells them to take care of the mobs themselves (that they've already aggroed...).

I think I found the quote in all that neckbearding that makes the most sense. Heallun admits that it's TMOs plan to train IB once they engage, and it's what they got suspended for.

/thread

I have a new concept for you: If you don't want to get suspended for training in VP, don't do it!

I don't care if that's the "strategy" that you use to pull or not. If there's another guild present and you time dropping your train to coincide with them fighting their FTE, that's on you, man.

Enjoy your vacation. I hear that there's this thing outside call the sun and that it can help with your complexion.

ManosMan · #**506** 07-31-2014, 09:34 AM

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If you have FTE and training shit around, you are responsible for it. End of story.

So there is zero responsibility for others in the zone to know what's going on or what they should do? That's not a great blanket statement to make...

Samoht · #**507** 07-31-2014, 09:41 AM

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So there is zero responsibility for others in the zone to know what's going on or what they should do? That's not a great blanket statement to make...

You cannot aimlessly fire a gun into a crowd and then blame the victims for not knowing they had a gun pointed at them. Sorry.

Samoht · #**508** 07-31-2014, 09:41 AM

"I wasn't aiming at anybody in particular"

ManosMan · #**509** 07-31-2014, 09:50 AM

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You cannot aimlessly fire a gun into a crowd and then blame the victims for not knowing they had a gun pointed at them. Sorry.

Man... your analogy is garbage and you're dumb. For one, I wasn't saying the puller had no blame, I was saying there should be some expectations of the others in end game raid zones, as opposed to none, as was suggested. For two, the more proper analogy is standing at your place in a firing range and shooting your target. Then some moron bikes right across the middle of the range and gets pegged. Shooters fault right? No?

The idea that FTE means 100% responsibility for what a mob does is trash. It opens up one extreme of a-holes purposely causing issues and then bitching and on the other hand it opens up zone-ignorant people accidentally causing issues and in both cases the wrong people would get punished...

PS, if you think I'm referring to this specific incident, get a clue. I'm talking about the overall idea of 100% FTE responsibility.

Kingore · #**510** 07-31-2014, 09:56 AM

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You cannot aimlessly fire a gun into a crowd and then blame the victims for not knowing they had a gun pointed at them. Sorry.

If I am pointing my gun at a target in a firing range, and some jackass ignores all the warning signs andWalks into the line of fire the story is different. But lets continue to make analogies that have nothing to do with the situation.