Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[quido]

We lost this case because we didn't have a bunch of screenshots with the text copied and blown up and turned sideways and stuff.

[Calabee]

wow a sub-link to frog's song was pretty fucking epic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGniXc7Xtc

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can see Catac name meleeing him after he finishes zoning. At 3:33 I cant see anything really. I see two red lines of something but I couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. Between Xygoz death and Sussy dieing like a bitch right?

The original fraps was higher definition. This is a downloaded version thatg was re-uploaded after IB took theirs down. At 3:36 is when you could see Catac with LD over his head, clearly meleeing. You can't see the LD in this video, but you can see him meleeing if you look hard. It's seen briefly when the screen pans around.

[Freakish]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

The courage to change the things I can,

And wisdom to know the difference.

See? You need to come to church on Sunday.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also say that the only thing that is any real proof is the fraps and based on the fraps it came directly for Sussy. Sussy being the only person dying from the AoE would not make sense and you can see it wasn't only AoE in the video. The events that lead up to that, who knows. But claiming it was because IB failed to log out then backing it up with another claim doesn't prove your case too much. Yeah it's pretty shitty it took this long for anyone to review the information but if you are claiming that you guys were the ones to train up for IB with those dragons then its on you, bottom line. Who knows what could of happened inbetween but based on it was your pick up mobs, it went directly for sussy then cut over to Bandito, its your train. I don't care for either side but it doesn't help your case when you get the same 6 people here saying different things. No one camped their agro and it was their fault, pulled through your train up, transferring agro, who knows who or what could of touched the mob inbetween but the video doesn't show too much tbh.

That's not what the fraps shows at all. Sussy was killed before the dragons were in melee range of him. Both dragons aoe and kill him, because he he is a freshly rezed magician. That's why he died. If the definition was as high as the original video you'd see the emote for the AoEs, people's health bars dropping, and warriors going berzerk right at the same time as Sussy's death. Also you do see other people die. Look at the health bars in the group window.

[Hitpoint]

If the dragons were coming for Sussy there would be new FTE messages after he died. The breakdown of the video was posted in two different forms a few pages back. It shows you how to view the fraps with time stamps, what to look for, and why it makes sense.

[Lazie]

Exactly what Hitpoint just said the string of aggro is obvious. They come for Catac first then AE and charm him. No new FTE message goes out after those AE's and that charm so there is still a person on their aggro table. Sussy dies to those AE's he was never out in zone and is a mage at zone in. He has absolutely zero aggro on anything. Catac and the Dragons turn to Bandito who they kill. This ends their line of aggro. How do we know this ends their line of aggro ? That nifty thing the GM's added to the server FTE shouts. New FTE shouts go out zone wide meaning their previous aggro table is clear and a new one is started.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do see people die after Sussy but no one previous if you look at the chat. If he was freshly rezzed, that would make more sense. I do see Catac meleeing at the end of the video. I will say it doesn't really matter at this point, that video is shitty as hell and if those were your initial engages, they were your mobs since they came collectively. I agree, VP looks like a shit show for training mobs around and doing that kind of bullshit but I know Class C guilds have given up mobs for being feared into another guild and wiping a few of them in places like fear or based on because someone got agro of the fear train. The shit does happen all the time, that's why if you are racing for mobs and someone gets a mob first, keep the train on you, move it out of the way and get ready for your next pull, otherwise youll probably eat a suspension.

Yes, lots of TMO were being rezed at the time. Some of those corpses are ours.

It's unfortunate about the video quality. Like I said it's an IB fraps so they took it down immediately when it was turned against them. We had the foresight to download it before they happened, but it's lower quality than the original. The GMs saw the original one.

We will have to agree to disagree about the train part. We pulled Hosh as far in the opposite direction as we could before our trainer died. If they want to pull a mob through it, they should be responsible for the train, and have someone tailing it to make sure it doesn't return to them. Same as plane of fear. When a bard collects the zone, the other guilds bard finds them and takes the train off them before CT is engaged. It is an acceptable rule in fear, and it was acceptable in VP until just yesterday.

Anyway, a week off frop VP isn't the end of the world. What's more disturbing is how we were blindsided with it two months later. Before we were given a chance to defend ourselves, before we saw this fraps, and long after we had deleted any fraps of our own. And the GMs allowed it to happen calling the situation "not ideal" but not mitigating the punishment whatsoever.

[Hitpoint]

A few typos. That* from* ^

[Lazie]

In essence IB posted a fraps to GM's that proved the train to zone in was IB's. It proved the train was all aggro off Hokushin's pull. It shows the calls Hokushin made that got people in his raid aggro on the train. It shows Hokushin never had any intent of trying to derail his guilds train. It shows his guilds train killed members of both raids at zone in. That is the only things IB's fraps shows clearly. Yet based on this fraps TMO got suspended.