Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

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Originally Posted by pufen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will you fuckheads bickering about BDA loot system shut the fuck up? No one gives two shits how BDA handles their 1 loot drop a month.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I saw this fraps. It's only in 320p but most info can be gathered by it.

I think if Druushk wasn't with Hosh at zone in killing IB/TMO there wouldn't have been any suspension. But with TMO having agro on Druu from the start/during IB's engagement to running to zone in, I think that is why Sirken/Deru made that call.

I'm not sure if it is stored, but if there is pre encounter lists of agro that would clear things up. Otherwise some dude Butchsomething (no idea of full spelling since video is blurry) had FTE on Hosh and was killed. Unknown who had agro on Hosh after that since FTE list already had more than one person on it, since it didn't shoot off again after the death.

Hosh and Druushk both come to zone in and kill people. If it wasn't for Druushk being out of his room, pulled by TMO pullers only Hosh would have been there. Then it's too big of a question mark as to who had agro on Hosh since he roams around, and a ruling wouldn't be able to be made.

So tl/dr
Druushk was pulled by tmo, ended up at zone in and killing people.
No idea on Hosh agro, if it was only him imo nothing would have been done.
Druushk could only gain agro on IB because TMO pullers dropped agro next to IB/Cross paths with possible IB agro'ed Hoshkar.

Save the you hate tmo responses. I would just as much see IB death loop in vp as anyone else. I'd link the fraps, but since it was pm'ed to me it isn't mine to give.

Wrong. Rewatch the fraps and I will provide you the relevant times to look at.

Fingers secondaries Hokushin with a bard song hitting him at 1:17 in the video. Notice the bard song graphic on the rogue at this time instantly giving Catac aggro on the dragon too.

At 2:17 Fingers gets charmed and starts Melleeing the next guy on the hate list Catac. this is confirmed in the text of the OW box on Bandito's screen.

At 2:18 Xygoz mellees Catac before anyone else. Also confirming Catac was aggroed on him via his songs.

At 2:27 Bandito Heals Catac's Damage that he took off Xygoz and Fingers which puts him on the hate list of both Dragons and turns Hoshkar around and makes him start heading towards zone.

At 3:33 the Dragons get in charm range of Catac and AE while charming him at the same time confirming he was the 2nd guy on their hate list. This double AE kills Sussy who is standing behind Bandito.

AT 3:36 in the POW box Catac mellees Bandito confirming he is the final person on the Dragon's hate list.

AT 3:38 Hoshkar gets to Bandito and mellee's him to death ending the line of his hate list. This is confirmed when a brand new FTE message goes off for both dragons.


What the fraps shows is IB were the only people at zone in with Aggro on the train. TMO had to abandon their Druushk pull because IB has no clue how to keep dragons away from zone in on their pulls during repops. Every time they try to pull a dragon on a repop from balcony with Hoshkar or Xygoz up they train the zone in with those dragons. It's something we have to deal with all the time with them. It cost us that Druushk pull as they were training Hoshkar to zone in and had no clue the aggro was on them. Hokushin in the fraps is screaming at his guild to invis up and run past the 2 dragons because he has no clue he fucked up and trained it all to zone in by his call.

[Shinko]

Lazie has passed the p99 bar exam

[Lazie]

Hoshkar or Silverwing up I meant.

[pufen]

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Lazie has passed the p99 bar exam

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Fraps Rainman or an obsession with the truth?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I saw this fraps. It's only in 320p but most info can be gathered by it.

I think if Druushk wasn't with Hosh at zone in killing IB/TMO there wouldn't have been any suspension. But with TMO having agro on Druu from the start/during IB's engagement to running to zone in, I think that is why Sirken/Deru made that call.

I'm not sure if it is stored, but if there is pre encounter lists of agro that would clear things up. Otherwise some dude Butchsomething (no idea of full spelling since video is blurry) had FTE on Hosh and was killed. Unknown who had agro on Hosh after that since FTE list already had more than one person on it, since it didn't shoot off again after the death.

Hosh and Druushk both come to zone in and kill people. If it wasn't for Druushk being out of his room, pulled by TMO pullers only Hosh would have been there. Then it's too big of a question mark as to who had agro on Hosh since he roams around, and a ruling wouldn't be able to be made.

So tl/dr
Druushk was pulled by tmo, ended up at zone in and killing people.
No idea on Hosh agro, if it was only him imo nothing would have been done.
Druushk could only gain agro on IB because TMO pullers dropped agro next to IB/Cross paths with possible IB agro'ed Hoshkar.

Save the you hate tmo responses. I would just as much see IB death loop in vp as anyone else. I'd link the fraps, but since it was pm'ed to me it isn't mine to give.

Is that the story you were told? Because the fraps doesn't show any of that. Even if you have logs, there is no way to know who was on the aggro lists simply from FTE shouts over a period of time and with new people getting aggro and carrying aggro. It's impossible to piece the logs together in context.

Also, IB started their prosecution claiming that druushk was the interference. However, after we disproved that as a possibility, the plaintiff then claimed hoshkar as the target in question.

Here's your mystery fraps and the breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovhrcPctzks

Hokushin pulls xygoz down the zone, passed Hoshkar who is being trained up by Butchh. Hoshkar has social agro on Hokushin due to Xygoz walking through him..
1:15 Hoku is bracered by rogue (fingerz)
1:20 bard (Catac) song playing on rogue
2:17 Xygoz enters camp and melee attacks catac (proof of agro transfer)
2:27 Bandito (frapser) heals Catac with CE. (proof of agro transfer)

As of right now, Hokushin, Fingerz, Catac, and Bandito all have agro on both Xygoz and Hoshkar. TMO dropped the Druushk pull at some point. Hoshkar will walk through Druushk, and social him aswell. This likely happened while either Shinko or Kingore had agro on Druushk, before they FD'd. Therefore there was no new FTE message for druushk, but he is still social agro'd on Hoshkar's target.

3:08 Xygoz dies and Hokushin probably FDs and /qs, so only Bandito and Catac have agro now.
3:31 hosh and druushk come to zone in and AOE as soon as they are in range of Bandito and Catac, which kills Sussy.
3:35 Catac is charmed (seen clearly), and Bandito is melee'd to death. Then a new FTE for both dragons goes off on Tobli. Proof that only Bandito and Catac were on the agro list and both dragons were coming directly for them.

It's a linear zone and a mob that paths. Regardless of what TMO may or may not have done, that dragon was going to path into them regardless - he roams.

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Fraps Rainman or an obsession with the truth?

yes

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you mean there isnt enough there to handle?