Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was not a "void of nonexistence" before the Big Bang.

Alright, regardless of the fact that you seem to know what existed before the universe, the point still remains. You're simply appealing to something higher than the Big Bang which caused the Big Bang. What caused the thing that caused the Big Bang? You see how this whole "appealing to contingency" thing ultimately leads you to exactly where science leads you? An endless series of questions whose answers simply lead to more questions. I'm not bashing science. It is both useful and beautiful. But don't put all of your eggs in that basket because human rationality, our own ability to reckon existence and reality, is entirely unsuited to the task of answering many of these questions.

Go lose yourself in other esoteric theories of the multiverse, of cyclical continued existence, of a universe that self-perpetuates, etc. It all leads to the same place that you started when you asked how our own universe came into being. You're no closer to the essence and nature of reality than you were when you realized you were a sentient being in a material world.

[myriverse]

Never claimed to know what existed before the Big Bang (and I made no claim at all about the universe). That's rather the point. Neither does science.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright, regardless of the fact that you seem to know what existed before the universe, the point still remains. You're simply appealing to something higher than the Big Bang which caused the Big Bang. What caused the thing that caused the Big Bang? You see how this whole "appealing to contingency" thing ultimately leads you to exactly where science leads you? An endless series of questions whose answers simply lead to more questions. I'm not bashing science. It is both useful and beautiful. But don't put all of your eggs in that basket because human rationality, our own ability to reckon existence and reality, is entirely unsuited to the task of answering many of these questions.

Go lose yourself in other esoteric theories of the multiverse, of cyclical continued existence, of a universe that self-perpetuates, etc. It all leads to the same place that you started when you asked how our own universe came into being. You're no closer to the essence and nature of reality than you were when you realized you were a sentient being in a material world.

You're reading you deep into it and claiming that science is looking for answers in places that they are in fact not.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. That entire post was just . . Wow.

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

Your own opinion on the issue is full of illogical holes, as well: fundamental philosophical questions not addressed or glossed-over, nihilistic materialism. The only difference is that I appeal to something beyond my own puny human mind, which is constrained by the shackles of time and space and physical cognition, and you believe that your mind is capable of understanding the very nature of reality, something you subjectively experience and therefore are entirely unqualified to objectively analyze. Yet you think you're capable of doing just that, and that's where you fail.

This hits the nail right on the head, also note that he says people who believe in religion use illogical thinking while science itself has said technology will advance to levels to do God like things. Fact is, Atheism is absolutely flawed way of going about life unless you for some reason really think we are the only thing to ever exist. If that is the case, then there is no hope for said person, but even then, Atheism would still be flawed because if some kind of superior being didn't exist, we would create one.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This hits the nail right on the head, also note that he says people who believe in religion use illogical thinking while science itself has said technology will advance to levels to do God like things. Fact is, Atheism is absolutely flawed way of going about life unless you for some reason really think we are the only thing to ever exist. If that is the case, then there is no hope for said person, but even then, Atheism would still be flawed because if some kind of superior being didn't exist, we would create one.

I don't think Atheism means what you think it means. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Atheism means what you think it means. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

And that is just the first part of wikipedia, maybe people who claim to be Atheists don't know what it means.

[Eliseus]

There is a common misconception among Atheists that they are Atheist when in reality they are agnostic, but claim to be Atheist. Though I think even being agnostic is dumb, at least it is better than being an Atheist.

[Daldolma]

why are atheists cool with scientists postulating the existence of alien life forms, down to their technological capabilities and motivations, but then they freak out when religious people postulate the existence of a divine creator and his motivations?

what's the difference?

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why are atheists cool with scientists postulating the existence of alien life forms, down to their technological capabilities and motivations, but then they freak out when religious people postulate the existence of a divine creator and his motivations?

what's the difference?

...the crusades?

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Though I think even being agnostic is dumb.

Elaborate please. At this point I'm 50/50 if you're trolling.