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[Malice_Mizer]

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[iruinedyourday]

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Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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yea right, you already said you were gonna stop posting like 9 times yesterday you big dumb crybaby looser.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea right, you already said you were gonna stop posting like 9 times yesterday you big dumb crybaby looser.

y lie

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. That entire post was just . . Wow.

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

Your own opinion on the issue is full of illogical holes, as well: fundamental philosophical questions not addressed or glossed-over, nihilistic materialism. The only difference is that I appeal to something beyond my own puny human mind, which is constrained by the shackles of time and space and physical cognition, and you believe that your mind is capable of understanding the very nature of reality, something you subjectively experience and therefore are entirely unqualified to objectively analyze. Yet you think you're capable of doing just that, and that's where you fail.

It seems you're making the same mistake. You claim to comprehend more than me by appealing to more than your puny human mind can by assuming that there must be a creator. Only you do it without evidence. "Things exist, therefore there is a god" is a bad argument when you have no proof that in order for things to exist there has to be a god.

I am not discounting a "the universe came from somewhere" hypothesis, I am discounting the notion that it came from a single intelligent source, because there's no proof of that and the nature of our universe suggests it's not necessary anyway. Read up on self organizing systems and you can see how something can happen without the need for intelligent design.

You also forget another option: The universe has and will always be. The facts suggest that time as we experience it is just another dimension to the universe, just another axis on the graph, which means time is part of the whole of the universe, there is no beginning or end, it's just another direction of it. Why would something like that need a creator to exist?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

long story short, ravager is a simpleton who thinks he's got a handle on an unanswerable question

We're all simpleton's in the grand scheme of it all, I just refuse to blindly accept magic as the answer to everything when all of my life's experience tells me magic doesn't exist. There are certainly things beyond our comprehension, but that doesn't mean we should make up fairy tales to explain it and then preach them as facts.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're all simpleton's in the grand scheme of it all.

There are certainly things beyond our comprehension.

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no god. There is no afterlife. When you die, that's it. It's the same as it was before you were born; remember those days? This is all the time you get so live it up.

do you not see the inconsistency?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're all simpleton's in the grand scheme of it all, I just refuse to blindly accept magic as the answer to everything when all of my life's experience tells me magic doesn't exist. There are certainly things beyond our comprehension, but that doesn't mean we should make up fairy tales to explain it and then preach them as facts.

Yea man. Or to decide that someone is bad base based on how they intemperate their own fairy tales.. or that they like one fairy tale better than another fairy tail, simply because it was the first fairy tail that they were told when they were 2 years old.

or decide to kill in the name of someone who told that to because if they did it in the name of that persons fairy tale they would get magic rewards and if they didn't they would get much worse, for eternity.

I mean its all pretty dumb when you look it objectively.

But my mom said when I was 13 while I was acting like a know it all teenage philosopher, 'LOOK I JUST DONT WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE I HAVE TO BELIEVE MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE JUST GONE OK'. I felt terrible and never tried to argue with her about religion again. But my mom was a good person.

Although on being a good person, she voted Yes on Prop 8 in California (Which limited a lot of peoples freedoms) because she saw a commercial on TV that said that prop 8 would directly rob the church of money (which was a blatant lie). So even good people can be easily charmed by someone selling snake oil. Which is the very reason anti-religion Atheists are outspoken about being anti religion.

I'm not calling anyone right or wrong, you're free to believe in whatever you want. But until Atheists start rounding up religious people and killing them simply because they cant figure out how to convince them that religion is bad - they have a much better track record when it comes to arguing about the Y/N existence of god.

[myriverse]

There was not a "void of nonexistence" before the Big Bang.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was not a "void of nonexistence" before the Big Bang.

what was there?

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what was there?

There is no way to know as the only evidence that exists is the universe's being here. Considering spacetime likely didn't exist as we know it, the most probable answer is nothing. Despite this, some speculate it was a singularity, some speculate a previous universe finishing a catastrophic big crunch.