Alternatives to variance to increase competition (veterans and relevant only)

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap. Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

God, HB, even you know this is a bullshit argument.

If the 1927 New York Yankees were stretching on the field, a high school team COULD have run on the field, hit a few home runs and say they beat the yankees. The reality is, all the yankees have to do is stand up and beat the shit out of them.

The problem is systemic in the server. It doesn't matter if it's Nihilum, it could be any guild monopolizing the raid mobs. All it takes to recruit someone is say "Hey, if you don't join us you'll never get loot". The loot pinata is set up every week at the same time, monopoly guild rolls down the hill and knocks down every single mob in order. Even in your example, if the mob was stolen, so what? You guys stand up and play real baseball next week by logging in 60 players and watch the other guild log off for 3 months or have their members recruited into the monopoly guild. Then you blame the 2nd place guilds for not competing. The rules of the server kill raid mob pvp and they kill guilds as a result. Variance allows more guilds to be formed, not create a monopoly on every mob in the game.

The worst part is that Nihilum members can't voice dissent, they can't say variance is a good idea. Not because they believe it, but because Nizzar will guildremove them and blacklist them from ever getting loot. Rogean has created a dictator in Nizzar. I haven't played on this server in 2-2.5 years, I'm about as unbiased as you can get. Anyone against variance is a shill or just doesn't understand high level thought.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Chuck_still_a_virgin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God, HB, even you know this is a bullshit argument.

If the 1927 New York Yankees were stretching on the field, a high school team COULD have run on the field, hit a few home runs and say they beat the yankees. The reality is, all the yankees have to do is stand up and beat the shit out of them.

that fucking analogy..... damn. This is the kind of badasses this server turns away.

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Chuck_still_a_virgin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God, HB, even you know this is a bullshit argument.



The worst part is that Nihilum members can't voice dissent, they can't say variance is a good idea. Not because they believe it, but because Nizzar will guildremove them and blacklist them from ever getting loot. Rogean has created a dictator in Nizzar. I haven't played on this server in 2-2.5 years, I'm about as unbiased as you can get. Anyone against variance is a shill or just doesn't understand high level thought.

Your wrong Coach and here's why. Nihilum as a guild has the biggest beards ever grown on any box. I am in minority of the guild who only plays one character. No alts here. I rarely will log on Tyrionn if needed but not the case for most. Our mobilization to spawns is not because of porters. It's because we have close to 30 epic/VP alts in seb. Another 20 in KC. And prob 40 scattered across norath w OT hammers for centralized mobilization. More alts are being geared daily. Velious will just be us logging in our TOV camped toon or our Kael toon with a few making the transit

Hokuten exists right now because we allow it and it benefits us. We take their high level embers looking to expand more into the game of raiding and progressing their toon. They also do things like royals that can spwn with things our guys still need (thanks for the queen shield last night ).

EQ is not a game of mere skill. 90% of it is time invested = reward and not one guild will ever out sock the king sockers

TLDR bring on variance. You are not prepared

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Chuck_still_a_virgin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God, HB, even you know this is a bullshit argument.

If the 1927 New York Yankees were stretching on the field, a high school team COULD have run on the field, hit a few home runs and say they beat the yankees. The reality is, all the yankees have to do is stand up and beat the shit out of them.

The problem is systemic in the server. It doesn't matter if it's Nihilum, it could be any guild monopolizing the raid mobs. All it takes to recruit someone is say "Hey, if you don't join us you'll never get loot". The loot pinata is set up every week at the same time, monopoly guild rolls down the hill and knocks down every single mob in order. Even in your example, if the mob was stolen, so what? You guys stand up and play real baseball next week by logging in 60 players and watch the other guild log off for 3 months or have their members recruited into the monopoly guild. Then you blame the 2nd place guilds for not competing. The rules of the server kill raid mob pvp and they kill guilds as a result. Variance allows more guilds to be formed, not create a monopoly on every mob in the game.

The worst part is that Nihilum members can't voice dissent, they can't say variance is a good idea. Not because they believe it, but because Nizzar will guildremove them and blacklist them from ever getting loot. Rogean has created a dictator in Nizzar. I haven't played on this server in 2-2.5 years, I'm about as unbiased as you can get. Anyone against variance is a shill or just doesn't understand high level thought.

So lets use your 1927 Yankees example. The Yankees won the world series in '27 and '28, but not in '24, '25, '26, '29 or '30. Were the Yankees the best team in the '20s? Without a doubt, some of the best teams of all time. Did they win it every year? Nope. Because other teams actually played against them and occasionally won.

And we can have our own opinions, believe it or not. If I was pro-variance I'd say it. People act like guild officers are running Nihilum like a communist regime, censoring people voicing dissent. It just isn't true, even in the slightest. I haven't seen someone in the last year get guild removed over anything other than being a terrible EQ player and messing up raids or being a complete douche. And even then it was only apps. The only FQing that is going to get you in trouble is if you're attacking members of the guild for some reason.

Kinda funny a thread titled "alternatives to variance" devolves into yet another dead horse variance debate.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering mobs are static, you're saying Nihilum will get all raid targets, and guild B) can go for planar trash and epic pieces not controlled by raid content.

Interesting, I like that plan - it's like blue except you don't have to poopsock.

If I were starting a guild here I would do this.

- Raid planer
- Raid lower level targets on sim repop
- Negotiate a non aggression agreement with Nihilum on raid days. We would get 1-2 low priority targets and Nihilum would get plat in exchange.

Agree to go different faction in Velious. Be happy at #2 and thrive.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I were starting a guild here I would do this.

- Raid planer
- Raid lower level targets on sim repop
- Negotiate a non aggression agreement with Nihilum on raid days. We would get 1-2 low priority targets and Nihilum would get plat in exchange.

Agree to go different faction in Velious. Be happy at #2 and thrive.

Just to further this point, from our friend Derubael:

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also like to add that I'd feel bad for Hokuten/disappointed in Nihilum if it wasn't for the fact that the recruitment thread basically declares war on Nihilum. Would fully expect my guild to get shit on if I did that.

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to further this point, from our friend Derubael:

Lol @ quoting Derubael.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I were starting a guild here I would do this.

- Raid planer
- Raid lower level targets on sim repop
- Negotiate a non aggression agreement with Nihilum on raid days. We would get 1-2 low priority targets and Nihilum would get plat in exchange.

Agree to go different faction in Velious. Be happy at #2 and thrive.

Was fine until I read the part about paying you off. If they wanted to buy pixels they would have paid for a new computer for Nizzar a long time ago.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There can and will never be guild 1a 1b 1c on this server. Everquest was never meant for that. There will only ever be one top guild at any given time due to the nature of Everquest. Once people accept that then this server can have guild #2 and maybe #3 for sustained periods of time.

For example, Taken knows they are not on TMOs level. Yet they accept their tier #2 guild on blue and get what they can and sustain.

Once a guild sets their sights on top guild the guild will either succeed or crumble, there is no in between.

You can't be that stupid. It has always been made clear that noone has any interest on being on the same level as Nihilum, and are perfectly fine with Nihilum getting the high majority of mobs. The current model doesn't allow for anything else.

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap.

So let a few months of no competition happen so Nihilum's monstrous numbers dwindle a bit, and then attack... take a few months off rinse repeat?

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

Sounds pretty simple, perhaps you should give it a go? oh wait.... As you clearly state, it is the ruleset. One guild zerg recruits to victory... nothing has changed, go back to being correct.

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Why is Kergan posting in this thread?

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is Kergan posting in this thread?

I post in every thread?