Bard Question

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If classic mechanics directly and negatively impact the playability of a significant number of players then they should be changed.

You might as well say training should be legal since it's a classic mechanic and gets you access to more mobs while denying other people experience.

So now we shouldn't AOE Chardok, Poopsock raid mobs, kill guards (cause they might have been able to save that newbie), quad kite raptors, or seafuries, offer MQ services? Because I'm pretty sure people whine and complain about all those things negatively impacting them also. Where do you draw the line?

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So now we shouldn't AOE Chardok, Poopsock raid mobs, kill guards (cause they might have been able to save that newbie), quad kite raptors, or seafuries, offer MQ services? Because I'm pretty sure people whine and complain about all those things negatively impacting them also. Where do you draw the line?

People draw the line when there's only one class that benefits from it and it's not theirs. There are far too many wizards, enchanters, clerics, monks, and necros for whom Chardok is bread and butter for the popular opinion ever to be that it needs to go away. But no one cares about bards but bards and that makes it ok.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People draw the line when there's only one class that benefits from it and it's not theirs. There are far too many wizards, enchanters, clerics, monks, and necros for whom Chardok is bread and butter for the popular opinion ever to be that it needs to go away. But no one cares about bards but bards and that makes it ok.

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[Flotsam]

This bard hate seems strange to me. Back in 2000, when I was levelling my ranger from 30-39 in OT (because it was easier than dungeons; we all knew it was a slightly soft option, and EQ was short of soft options), I never once recall being troubled by a bard kite, nor do I recall anyone ever hating bards.

I certainly recall the ranger jokes ("Quick, heal the ranger- it's raining!"), but I was never in a group that considered the hybrid penalty an issue, and rangers were always useful as outdoor pullers, of course.

What is going on here? Was Quellious back then just nicer than other servers? I somehow doubt that.

[Champion_Standing]

I hate bards, one time a bard joined my group then just went AFK with the heal song on. Oh wait...that's every time a bard joins my group.

[Valdarious]

I personally don't ever remember seeing bards kiting stuff back on live. I don't think they thought that much outside the box back then. Not sure when that started.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate bards, one time a bard joined my group then just went AFK with the heal song on. Oh wait...that's every time a bard joins my group.

But he was still probably contributing the most, increasing the group's exp rate more than anyone else by not taking all the mobs for AE.

[Flotsam]

Originally Posted by Valdarious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally don't ever remember seeing bards kiting stuff back on live. I don't think they thought that much outside the box back then. Not sure when that started.

I guess you are right. I saw it a bit, but I seem to recall people being more annoyed about druids and maybe quad-kiting wizzies.

I suppose by the time I had my own bard, it was because my guild needed a bard for raids, and so I was always grouped, except for charm kiting VT shards for people, because it was easier solo than with a group.