Twin Ninja Looter

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imo that is the risk you take rolling with a guild group. if one were to go kill a dragon with a raid guild, wouldnt it be wise to expect the same result? twin was just opportunistic to find a loophole, more power to him. he was probably robbing (pickpocket) the shit out of their mobs the whole time anyways.

Well it's not even a risk, imo.

When something that has value drops, everyone will roll on it. Therefore, a group composed of:

Random person
Random person
Random person
Random person
Random person
Random person

Is the same thing as:

Random person
Person from guild X
Person from guild X
Person from guild X
Person from guild X
Person from guild X

Because every time something drops, you have 1/6 chance to win.

If you're grouped with 5 people from the same guild and one of them wins the roll and decides to give the item to his guildie, how is that different from a group formed of random people with one of them winning the item and selling it in the tunnel?

All in all, group composition doesn't matter. Whether they roll for themselves because it's an upgrade, roll to sell it in EC or roll to give it to a guildie/friend, because in the end it's still a 1/6 chance to win the item.

[Erectus]

^ this is the kind of attitude that this guild brings to the server. and that's how they acted in group. Like I said, why was the cleric rolling on the HBC?

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Erectus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He might've accepted an NBG roll but that roll would not include the casters in the group. They are claiming here that the rules was nbg, but it clearly WAS NOT.

HBC is all/all, who are you or twin to decide can roll NBG? Necros need HP, Clerics with stones definitely do, shamans do, and anyone else could make a case for it depending on what they were already wearing.

Also, FFA on trash loot != FFA on named loot, how are you not understanding this? FFA and NBG aren't the only loot systems either. Greed is far and away the most popular loot system for PUGs - greed meaning anyone who wants to roll on an item can. Do you really think because they weren't rolling on Garg eyes or MM drums that they didn't want a roll on the cloak? I may have missed it, but I didn't see them claim it was NBG, but simply that they were FFAing vendor items and wanted a roll on the cloak. Twin looted it, and then refused that as an option from what I can gather.

Erectus, Awayken, and Twin totally added to my personal "avoid these people" list.

[Snikliweed]

Originally Posted by Erectus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ this is the kind of attitude that this guild brings to the server. and that's how they acted in group. Like I said, why was the cleric rolling on the HBC?

Good question why was the Cleric rolling when Twin had no intentions of giving it to a winner and wouldn't even participate in the rolling process himself what a waste of his time?

[iruinedyourday]

Yea if a cleric wants to have a HBC from 35-46 because they want to feel the HP's in the way they play the game, if they are rolling on it, it is fair. If they are 'needing' it because they want to feel the HP's in the way they play that is probably a bit of a stretch to say that is 'fair'.. But that is not what happened.

If someone says they want something, and you are rolling for it, you roll, you can whine all about it.. but if you /disband or /q with the item in your inventory even though you lost the roll, then you are a dbag.

These are my opinions, but I am sure many people who haven't been called dbags by people who arnt consistently called dbags themselves, would agree.

[fastboy21]

all/all 45 hp cloak is pretty much the best cloak for any class in the game until you can get a hiero.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all/all 45 hp cloak is pretty much the best cloak for any class in the game until you can get a hiero.

Agree'd I wear one on my enchanter.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FFA and NBG aren't the only loot systems either.

holy shit great idea.. loot rules have always been real shitty here on p99, at least at the lower levels

no idea how the guilds handle stuff aside from some dkp, but someone should make a post detailing the finer points of the more abstract loot rules. maybe that shit will get stickied

[Ciroco]

Whether it was NBG or greed, dude looted it and refused to roll. Case closed, inc hammer of justice.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether it was NBG or greed, dude looted it and refused to roll. Case closed, inc hammer of justice.

this would totally be an abuse of GM power.. if he gets shamed and reputed by the community thats one thing, but account suspension or inventory robbery for looting an item.. thats a little overboard, imo

i realize that this type of stuff happens daily in ToV or DL or wherever u ppl go to raid, but this is MM.. its really not so serious, these people are just playing the crybaby roll because they want to get their way

ninja-looting is a thing