Why Nihilum won’t go to a DKP system.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Nihilum used a true DKP system someone could spend DKP on said BP, and sell it for a reasonable price on the open market if they didn't want to use it anymore. Nihilum leadership does not allow this.

Of course they don't allow it. In what fucked up reality should individuals be allowed to directly profit off the work of others when the items could be used on member alts to empower the guild? Thats basically embezzling.

No wonder you retards are getting stomped on when you can't understand basic policies that are used in every facet of society.

[Mac Drettj]

Pikrib still mad in here? Can't tell cus tldr.

[Kergan]

Nah he just trolling but not really making much sense with it.

[Pikrib]

New prices suck I must agree. Lets break it down though shall we?
1k+ a week on hate stones.(pre nerf price, twoish runs a week) 10,000pp a year est
1k+ a week on sky stones.(pre nerf price, twoish runs a week) 10,000pp a year est
Gems 200,000p a yr. est.
sky keys+misc. 20,000p

240,000pp a year ish to run a raiding guild.
600,000pp the price for a donals BP which drops on average once ever 9-12 days.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't see is the member price. I'll give you an example from the current spreadsheet not yet released to the public.

Singing Steel Breastplate Out of guild price: 40000 Member price: 15000

So yeah, we don't really want to sell shit out of the guild unless it's garbage we don't want. If someone wants to make a retarded insane offer on something like a cleric BP we'll do it but that same 600k BP was going to members for 15k.

Kergan this is exactly my point. I couldn't have said it better. Stagnating server economy ruining the server.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kergan this is exactly my point. I couldn't have said it better. Stagnating server economy ruining the server.

So now you're complaining we don't give you and other members of the opposition access to loot we get off dragon kills?

I mean, as a reasonable person you must understand how retarded it sounds.

[heartbrand]

the whole guild bank thing never existed like this on live, because new expacs were coming out every 8-12 months, and just as you started farming content new content was out. The whole "Trakanon #572" thing just never happened.

[Kergan]

Pikrib should petition GMs for banning our guild banks then, that stuff would be sold to the public by now. Now our reserves are low the rest of the server aint gonna see jack shit for awhile.

[India]

Your figures for running a guild are low.

I'm just using averages here..


Clerics
Assume 5 clerics go thru 8 stacks of dots each a week (guarantee that most clerics use the "guild" dots to buff groups too)
40 stacks of dots (round out to 200pp per stack) a week x 52 weeks = 416,000pp

Enchanters use dots too
Assume 3 enchanters go thru 4 stacks each a week. 12 stacks x 52 weeks = 124,800

Sky raids
Assuming 4 raids in sky a week x 4 groups generally (though there are always stragglers that need ported up)
235pp a stone * 4 groups, 4x week, 52 weeks = 195,520pp

Hate
Usually attended more heavily than sky, so 7 ports per raid (stragglers, late comers, getting an alt up to loot a rot item, etc. )
100pp stone * 7 groups, 3x week, 52 weeks = 109,200

Total for a year assuming costs are spread out to only the number of characters listed above 845,520

Now knowing that the costs listed above are not incurred by just 1 wizard doing all the ports, or 5 clerics doing all the buffing, etc you can easily extrapolate that costs associated in dots and stones alone is well over 1 million a year, and that's not counting other incidentals.

[Zalaerian]

I easily burn a stack of dots a day. Repop day 3-4