so you guys are looking for EQ Minus....

[Valdarious]

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

out of curiosity, I know no one really knows yet, but what are your hunches regarding EQNext? what did you guys think of eq2?!

I actually liked EQ2 a lot in the beginning if it weren't for some of the zones. I did not like how some of them were put together. If they would have renamed them, in my brain it probably wouldn't have effected me. I was so used to how the zones looked and were put together. With the same names and how they were structured, it just drove me crazy.
I loved the crafting system and some of the classes were cool.
At the present moment, all I am seeing from EQN is a big cash cow for them. Server based RMT is huge in that Trademark system. Plus, why the hell do I want to make a house in an MMO when 98% of the time in the game is spent roaming around killing stuff?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading all those posts was pretty enlightening. it's sad how they'd have to throw away expansions full of zones to make most of you happy. I doubt you need as much as you think you do, I think you're listing everything that you'd like to be changed instead of the bare minimum required change to get you back. I'd put up with a lot of nonsense and go back right now if they weren't giving away free lvl 85 chars with all of the aa's for example, but of course I'm also saying I'd like no mercs, no fast travel, no crazy gear, and a real death penalty. especially for those of you whose deals aren't broken with a certain expansion, I can't imagine you'd need more than that.

Sony giving away free level 85 characters tells me that the "real" game doesn't even begin until 85, which means pretty much everything that was Live EQ to me is irrelevant. The game is just completely and utterly different than it was 15 years ago. At this point, they should just start the game at 85 (but call it "level 1"), and only have 15 levels. And probably call it something else.

For me, though, I'm not so sure I would throw out whole expansions, but there would be tons of line-item vetoes.

out of curiosity, I know no one really knows yet, but what are your hunches regarding EQNext? what did you guys think of eq2?!

Never played EQ2. The graphics were a turnoff.

I'm eagerly awaiting EQNext. I really like what I've seen so far. I'm in the minority around here.

[drew0987654]

I thought "Landmark" was part of eq next, hmm, well w/e. I'm not sure how you recognize PCs as bots... if I run into someone and /con them DB-YLW I'll invite, if they don't say anything I guess it's possible that they could be a bot but I'd never know the difference between an actual person just ignoring me.... most ppl join and chat anyway and whoever's not in the group isn't part of my game so they don't really matter to me. is that the "hacking/cheating" ppl here are talking about? I feel like the whole bots/hackers/cheaters/boxers are largely invisible, easily ignorable and entirely insignificant compared to things that directly affect your experience every time like the mercs, gear, and free aa's that everyone uses.

I just thought of something... it's probably wishful thinking but seeing as how there are ppl willing to recreate and constantly manage entire servers for the love of this game, do you know of any groups of ppl that play on ghost-town servers like "Trakanon" for example and just sort of 'pretend' that the mercs/etc are off-limits? it would obviously be an honor system thing, and a lot of players on the server would have to be avoided, but isn't there some guild out there dedicated to this?

[myriverse]

Well, Landmark is like proto-EQNext. It's more like a Minecraft thing that Sony wants players to use to create things that may or may not be used in the real EQNext when it gets released.

From what I've heard, some of the EQEmus are just a few players that multibox. I haven't tried so have no firsthand knowledge. No interest. Really, if I wanted to play on another Emu, I'd just play Live.

[drew0987654]

Trakanon isn't another emulator, it's an official server but no one plays on it. I was talking about a guild on Live that might just ignore everyone except other guild members and played as though it were a special server (for example, mercs would be off limits and anyone who violates that rule would be kicked from the guild). there's nothing like that? maybe I'll try to start one sometime this year. it'll probably be a miserable and embarrassing failure, as all those interested would likely already be playing on an emulator somewhere but w/e. it'll be worth a shot since it's the only way I'm ever going back. it's a real shame, I was having fun until I reached lvl 55 and the free aa's became available... since then everyone I partied with just slaughters everything. no fun anymore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[QuantumZebra]

Originally Posted by Reubin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much everything you listed except the music. SoL took the fantasy D&D style game I loved and changed the mechanics and made it a Sci-Fi game. It was still an ok game but the magic was gone for me. There is a reason people call it 'Cats on the Moon' here. I actually liked the PoP and LDoN expansions. But by that time it was a completely different game to me.

I'd still be playing EQ to this day if they skipped SoL and everything in it and went PoP > LDoN > GoD > OoW and never introduced mercs

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give Rogan directors cut and 30 million dollars, and Ill play whatever it is he makes.

i change my vote to that^

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesnt have the one of arguably p99s most important thing.

Make eq as much as it possibly can be the way it was in 1999

I mean what Rogen & Nilbog have been able to do is make a better game, by themselves for free in a fraction of the 12+ years it took sony to slowly, expansion after expansion reduce their user base.

Sure p99 isnt exactly classic EQ, but if time froze and all we could do is play on the classic servers for the rest of our lives, p99 is exactly what it would be. People love p99 because the game was just overall better than it is post velious. Sure there were some decent things that came out of 12+ years of development, but overall it and all the MMO's that followed Classic EQ never managed to capture the same ascetic, feel, and plain old challenge. Classic EQ really is the D&D of MMO's.

Looking at Live, even on progression they got it wrong. That's because they made it guessing what it was people wanted. Rogan said, fuck it I'm gona MAKE what I want. You cant just replicate that kind of passion.

P99 is as much an anomaly IMO as ClassicEQ was.

Give Rogan directors cut and 30 million dollars, and Ill play whatever it is he makes.

Honestly sony is so bad, I half expect you to be the president of SoE, literately begging us to tell you what it is they have to do to stop fucking up.

We cant help you mr. president! Live BLOWS.

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[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sony giving away free level 85 characters tells me that the "real" game doesn't even begin until 85, which means pretty much everything that was Live EQ to me is irrelevant. The game is just completely and utterly different than it was 15 years ago. At this point, they should just start the game at 85 (but call it "level 1"), and only have 15 levels. And probably call it something else.

I seriously doubt that selling or giving away lvl 85s with a subscription is motivated by the fact that the game doesn't start till 85. People just want that shortcut. We even saw it here, people would threaten to quit this server every time the issue of banning account sales got brought up because leveling up toons was too boring and they demanded the right to buy their lvl 60s instead of level them. But while the sales were allowed here the market was booming, people want that shortcut of getting to max level or a high level quickly, even here in our little "classic" corner of the internet.

The other thing they doing is the smart thing and taking control of a market that already exists, if SOE didn't let you create lvl 85s the Chinese gold farmers would be happy to step up and sell you one.

[Grimjaw]

take me back to the days where people had to buy combined weapons off vendors so that their mains could actually hit magic creatures, and ill come.