attention RL info posting nerds

[Glenzig]

So how do you ban a person along with the accounts they play? How do you shut this RMT plague down?

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perception of GM favoritism changes every time there is new discipline. When 86 TMO accounts got suspended, everyone cried that GMs favored rogeans pals in IB. When IB gets suspended they cry that they favor TMO, etc.

In reality they just put a lot of work into knowing the rules/rule lawyering.

Argh just spouting common sense all over this thread right now. I have no control over how Tiggles acts in RnF. Yes, we've been over and acknowledged the fact that Tiggles got a character made to spy on a guild, but everyone seems to forget that favortism has been shown in the past to other guilds as well, including BDA, under the old CSR staff. ALL guilds have skeletons - TMO just gets more shit because of their (admittedly) poor attitude.

Lastly, as Argh once again stated, we have a wide range of guests come on our show - we've had BDA, Taken, IB, TMO, etc. It's an open invite and always has been. It only "looks" as bad as you perceive it to be, and when you're already going in with an opinion in mind (GM's favor TMO!) of course that's how you're going to see it.

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't usually agree with Yendor, but wowza this. How's Derubael gonna handle this one cuz that stings lol.

uh. what? How bout by telling the truth? See that's the great part about not being a scumbag - you don't have to make excuses, lie, or justify your shady actions when someone asks you a question.

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

So we're going to continue to base the current staff's actions on staff members who were removed over two years ago? How do Uthgaard and Amelinda's actions in any way insinuate that Sirken and I would do the same? This is like saying the old president was shit so the new president will also be shit, and make the same mistakes, just because they are in the same position.

Again, you're walking into a situation with an opinion already formed about the outcome based on the actions of people who came before us. Your perception of events is always going to be skewed because of this.

We work really hard to ensure we go into every situation with an unbiased viewpoint. But even then, we get accused of favortism, and we're tired of dealing with it - hence part of the reason we instated the new policy for dealing with raid disputes. It's hard to accuse us of "favortism" when we aren't involved in the "judicial process". Because it doesn't really matter which way we rule - someone is always going to be on the losing end, and that group is always going to feel there was bias shown against them.

That's just the way it is. Welcome to life as a Project 1999 CSR GM. No pay, long hours, way too much work, and on top of it all everyone thinks you are biased against them, regardless of what you do.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you ban a person and not an account?

I suppose you start by identifying a RMT IP then banning every account it touches. Period.

Like I said, I don't know what tools GMs have at their disposal and I don't work in IT.

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

uh. what? How bout by telling the truth? See that's the great part about not being a scumbag - you don't have to make excuses, lie, or justify your shady actions when someone asks you a question.

How's Fountree gonna handle this one cuz that stings lol.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Imslap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like he got drunk halfway through this rant.

Sorry, working on an anti-communization clause at the moment so my minds not competely focused.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose you start by identifying a RMT IP then banning every account it touches. Period.

Like I said, I don't know what tools GMs have at their disposal and I don't work in IT.

You know that it takes most people about 5 minutes to work around an ip ban right? You can easily get around anything IP associated.

[no chewie dont]

aint no one got time for this thread

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You ask why I play here if I think it's so corrupt? I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think something is great as want to improve on it. I'd much rather institute a system that directly benefited GMs and Dev's for the efforts than those who actions directly retard the actual playing of the game.

If you think you can do better, feel free to PM me with your comprehensive and effective strategies for combatting RMT. I'd love to know when/where you became an expert on the subject, and how we can integrate your plans into our current system.

Originally Posted by Duckwalk

Once again, I applaud staff efforts to combat RMT through your ban of 400 accounts. What proportion of those actually stuck?

I had a margin of error of less than 5%. If you include accounts that were banned immediately after the inital wave, my margin of error drops into the negatives.

Originally Posted by Duckwalk

No tinfoil hatting or second hand information here, specifically highlighted confirmed generalizations or are you denying that there has been staff impropriety in the past,

Are you even reading my posts? We've already been over this. The actions of previous CSR staff should not reflect upon the current staff's actions, priorities, or rulings. These people haven't been on staff in years, and yet somehow they are still corrupting the box and compromising it's integrity. Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Duckwalk

that leadership of prominent guilds is most often at the core of RMT operations or that when you do ban RMT is the exact same people who are back the next day rebuilding their empire?

No, the leadership of prominent guilds is not most often at the core of RMT operations. The only RMT operations we've proven so far to be aided/ran by a guild leader was Nizzarr, and he was small time compared to the bigger fish.

Yes, it is the same people who return the next day and attempt to start over. As I stated before, they are barely scraping by at this time. I love how people think there is some magic "ban this player forever!" button that can keep someone from connecting for the rest of their lives. The actual RMT sellers on this server go to great lengths to mask their identities, and while I'm able to see through that with careful scrutiny, there is no way to just permanently remove someone from this server, or any server, without restricting access to a larger group of players.

tl;dr I appreciate your thoughts and criticism, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know that it takes most people about 5 minutes to work around an ip ban right? You can easily get around anything IP associated.

Obviously but RMT operations have successfully tracked RMT profits across IPs in the past (apparently). I guess I'm advocating more of a scorched earth type of policy by making it extremely costly even being associated with RMT activity.

I can't comment on current GM policy with regards to this topic but from the outside it looks like lots of accounts (with the majority of profits) are slipping by. It's still a profitable endeavor for RMTers so they continue to practice it.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lyricist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at Ephi for example he was the one who initially started working towards what sounds like you have now took on (the entire anti-RMT unit). Yet, many of the accounts he hit and characters here struck were still miraculously playable and unbanned

theres a reason ephi was removed from staff.