Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Man0warr]

Even after Yibz trained us, there was still TMO coming down well after. Taken got an attempt (with like 14 ppl?!) right after we got trained.

We thought TMO had backed off because of the Yibz train at that point.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

Ok. I was in vent. The call immediately when VS spawned was "We are not going after it". That is why VS lived more than 3 minutes.

[Glenzig]

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CHEST!!!!!

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even after Yibz trained us, there was still TMO coming down well after. Taken got an attempt (with like 14 ppl?!) right after we got trained.

We thought TMO had backed off because of the Yibz train at that point.

We brought people down to help to recover the people that died. Some folks ran down when VS got called that weren't in vent and we had to tell them we aren't going after VS. It's all semantics though. You guys got a VS and it was resolved. There are easy solutions for everyone to resolve these things without being unreasonable.

[cams]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They left after looting the draco corpse and seeing no BCG was on it. So of course they were happy to leave the corpse to rot after. Better bet if it had a BCG on it it would have gotten looted. Again Class R has lockouts. The players can't mandate those. Being Class R means you are subject to them for better or worse. TMO gets the same consideration as any other guild. The difference is when we mess up we admit it right away and back off the spawns.

So you guys lost a BCG that didn't exist, thus IB should get a week suspension? Or because you believe things would have gone differently if there was a BCG with no actual proof to back it up? And rules are rules when they apply to class R, but when 3 different members of your guild train 2 other guilds in a weeks time it is ok for guys to self regulate. Nice. Spin spin spin.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by cams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you guys lost a BCG that didn't exist, thus IB should get a week suspension? Or because you believe things would have gone differently if there was a BCG with no actual proof to back it up? And rules are rules when they apply to class R, but when 3 different members of your guild train 2 other guilds in a weeks time it is ok for guys to self regulate. Nice. Spin spin spin.

What ? You do realize TMO wasn't the only guild regulating right ? TMO talked to the guilds involved and all parties came to a resolution. It wasn't TMO regulating. I am glad you think everyone just happily forgives mistakes on this server though because TMO can regulate whatever they want to them. That would be a nice server to play on.

As for Draco and Fay...Kill stealing is against the rules. IB KS'ed both without an FTE message. Fay showed they had no problem looting a KS when the loot was nice and the fact they looted the corpse to check it on Draco showed they had an intent to do the same before seeing the corpse had trash loot. If you are upset with the GM's decision on Fay and Draco tell IB to stop KSing and if they do again to try to work out a reasonable resolution instead of camping out immediately and ignoring officers trying to resolve issues with them.

[Rellapse40]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

clearly all this bullshit yall are mulling over about AE and who was in zone, and camp disputes couldn't matter less.

the only thing that matters is TMO has a long history of training other people's raids..
this guy got caught training a raid force in blatant fashion
it is time to pay the iron price, which is punishment for the person, the guild, and guild leadership.
that is what everyone knows and expects.
where the fuck is the justice?

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ? When we make mistakes what history do we have of being unreasonable in resolving them under the new raiding system ? Please point to an occasion where we fucked up and didn't immediately come to a decision that didn't benefit us as a guild.

That is the thing. It is fun to throw around claims that aren't true, but they don't meet the current reality of what happens with the current TMO when we fuck up. We are the first to back off and surrender mobs. We are the first to try to be reasonable and find an amiable resolution that is fair to the party that got wronged.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Rellapse40 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rellapse40 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

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