Is mapping multiple buttons to a gamepad chearing?

[Argh]

This is the latest thing I could find about third party program uses. This was posted about tristantio's(?) map app.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

So if you're going to use any third party software consider the points mentioned above: does it manipulate the client, and was it possible during the classic timeline.

[rangerlive]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been my impression that it is against the P99 rules to map your joystick/gamepad/keyboard buttons to multiple button presses (or mouse movements/clicks). In other words, if you map the "A" button on your controller to "2", that's ok, but if you map it to "2, 3, wait 5ms, 2 again" that's illegal automation.
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Can anyone point me to a GM post, line in the rules that I missed, or anything like that that shows that multiple-button mappings are prohibited? Or allowed for that matter; either way I'd just like to have some sort of clarification that I can point people to in the wiki.

Using a gamepad(input device) to automate a combination of keystrokes is OK according to SOE, as long as you are at the keyboard.

"Sony Online Entertainment has always considered the use of programmable Game Pad devices are not a violation of our policies since they are an input device, however if the account is found to be gaining experience or skills while the owner is away from the keyboard by using the features of such devices, then we will take action as if the accounts are using a third party program. "

But then, multi-boxing was OK, too. So who knows on P99.

[Ambrotos]

Yet nothing you listed Retti is exploiting. Please learn the term please.

Also people used auto shoot in EQ. Not saying it was cool, but it isn't a 3rd party program that injects anything into the client.

[Rellapse40]

gotta excuse retti his mind has not been the same since his wife left him for a bbc

[rangerlive]

I think you are technically correct.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol

[fastboy21]

if it is cheating i certainly hope that the server staff would articulate it clearly before beginning to issue bans for it. from past experience, i have no reason to doubt that they would make every reasonable effort to inform the community of the expectations before handing out consequences.

having said that, i do not know of or even heard of a single person banned for the type of macro'ing that I believe the OP is discussing...that doesn't mean necessarily that it is or isn't against the rules, its just an observation from playing here for a long time.

everything in this thread is anecdotal or hypothetical, so nothing short of a GM jumping into this conversation is going to make the rules any clearer than they already are.

my only other suggestion is that if you are actually concerned about something you are doing or thinking about doing in game being a bannable offense then you might have more luck sending a PM to a GM/Guide for your specific situation and question. more likely to find out the information that is relevant to you that way than by a threaded discussion in the general forums.

[Champion_Standing]

My friend with only one good hand needs to set up special macros so he can play effectively instead of keyboard turning like a sloppy housewife.

Why do you people hate the differently abled so much?

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My friend with only one good hand needs to set up special macros so he can play effectively instead of keyboard turning like a Romulan housewife.

Why do you people hate the differently abled so much?

Fixed.

[Tantrix]

All these people talking about macros being exploits, all while 90% of us are using keyboards that have been capable of the same thing for years. Lmfao.


On the flip side...playing EQ with a controller is the most offensive thing in this thread, not macros.