The New TMO

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't raid Class C stuff here for sure! Never heard of this happening before. So you're saying that people have used 3+ people, some of whom are unguilded, for face tracking?

It's been an issue of having more than 3 past the zone in VP. When tortue left TMO and before joining IB, he'd often be past the zone in with mobs in window. There was some question of whether he would count as IB or not. And surprise surprise, he's now in IB.

Also, with pet pulling being a thing, they usually require a train up given the see invis situation to place the pet, which would cause 3 to be past zone in and a forfeiture of the spawn if it had spawned during that window. It's funny, too, had we not used an idol + shm FD ring to set redgar on SW yesterday we would've had to forfeit SW given the time he spawned. Heallun saving the day bringing extra idols -- yer welcome :P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

[radditsu]

Bitching over fay. After 10 years of kunark on this box.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bitching over fay. After 10 years of kunark on this box.

Tanrin got a water dragon? your alts got dhbs? All your druids got epics?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs.

Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

Because getsome thought he could get away with it. EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds. Blatantly breaking the rules and then trying to claim the other guild did something shady is the ultimate sack-face rub.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tanrin got a water dragon? your alts got dhbs? All your druids got epics?

Even sprucewaynee. My lvl 8 druid has epic.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even sprucewaynee. My lvl 8 druid has epic.

But seriously, that water dragon, I could really use it <_<

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?