HAVE U TRIED RED YET?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Agh, perfect. 5 stars swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is forcing you guys to click on these threads. People make it sound like we're requiring you to click an ad for red99 in order to play. When I see a thread I'm not interested in on the forums, I just don't click on it. If you're not interested in Red, and it's obviously a Red thread, don't click. I'm starting to think people only make these negative posts because they like having something to fight about. Have you considered trying Red to help work that out?

For a lot of other people, these red threads help them find the server, and they have a lot of fun there. Over the last couple years I've spoken with countless people who never would have tried the server if it wasn't for one of these threads, so I'm not going to take them away - particularly when they are clearly labeled and so easy to avoid. It's not like the title is "Trakanon ninja looted by scumbag" and then a Red promotion is found inside instead.



Have you tried within the last week or two? There has been ~200 people on every night this week and plenty of people to group with. The chances of you getting brute forced out of a camp prior to level 56 now are pretty slim because of the new level range and the blue PnP applying to out of range situations. That being said, for some people, Red just isn't for them. My hope is that everyone gives it a shot with these new changes being in regardless of how they have felt about the server in the past.

TL;DR: Try red, not because the red community wants you to, but because the devs and the CSR team that provide you with such a great Everquest experience want you to give it a shot!

I have to take issue with this post. All of the posts about red recruitment on blue forums amounts to little more than spam after the original promotional post regarding new changes to the server. Do I have to click on the thread? No, but I also don't open spam mail either. I still don't enjoy seeing it pop up every day. If you are concerned about new players being able to "find the server", keep it to the starter forum, and move it to its own section, off the blue forums.

I appreciate what you and a lot of the red community are trying to do, I think its awesome and I hope lasting positive change happens on red. I just think the constant reposts of the same idea is wearing thinner than asking what race is best for a newbie shaman.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to argue about this anymore - unless it gets out of hand (which it hasn't), the Red posts in "Blue" Server Chat are not going to go away. The posts complaining about them, however, will. A lot of time, effort, and work was put into the Red server lately by both the Development team and the CSR team, and we're thrilled that the red community (and a good number of people from the blue community as well!) want to share this experience with people from both servers.

Let's try to remember that we all love and play Everquest here, regardless of whether we enjoy PvP or not.

Sorry for the double post, but I am replying to these as I read them. This statement coming from the staff is petulant. I am behind you on the efforts to improve red. It takes a lot of work to preserve the quality of the game and get a whole community behind you. Huge kudos to the effort and the results.

I am not attacking your efforts to make red a better place, I am attacking the incessant need to trumpet news we have all seen over and over again. It would not take much effort at all to move the starting forum to its own line and have it include material relative to both servers. Starting new on P99 on either sever is going to overlap heavily in material anyway. If you want to make sure new players get a chance to try their hands at pvp, that is a great place to put these recruitment threats without spamming blue server forums.

(And it is the "blue" server forums. It is labeled as such. Just move the starter forum to its own slot above both red and blue sections so it is the first link people see before scrolling down and keep the recruitment posts and other relevant starting questions/information there.)

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to take issue with this post. All of the posts about red recruitment on blue forums amounts to little more than spam...

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[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I would hope you knew me a little better than that, Swish. You wont even hold hands in public any more. I don't know what I did =*(


Honestly though, not trolling, just stating my opinion on the subject. If you want really long winded then you can solicit me and listen to my rants =D

[Swish]

I think the problem with having 2 sets of server forums is that one is under the other one, and as lazy humans we don't always get past the first 2-3. Without the recruitment posts here I don't think red would be doing as well as it has been here since the group XP bonus went in.

Lots of new people trying it, I made up a ton of JC stuff for Bob, a couple of his pals and a bunch of others last night (at cost). I know a lot of people who start just don't have the cash to get some basic stat jewelry so its all about promotion and helping the new starters.

It's not hurting the blue population to have a couple of red posts in here, and as is always said... if you don't want to read them, open another thread instead.

What people are doing is the equivalent to downvoting YouTube videos... what does it matter? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem with having 2 sets of server forums is that one is under the other one, and as lazy humans we don't always get past the first 2-3. Without the recruitment posts here I don't think red would be doing as well as it has been here since the group XP bonus went in.

First sensible response to this argument I've seen. Swish for PR Rep!

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem with having 2 sets of server forums is that one is under the other one, and as lazy humans we don't always get past the first 2-3. Without the recruitment posts here I don't think red would be doing as well as it has been here since the group XP bonus went in.

Lots of new people trying it, I made up a ton of JC stuff for Bob, a couple of his pals and a bunch of others last night (at cost). I know a lot of people who start just don't have the cash to get some basic stat jewelry so its all about promotion and helping the new starters.

It's not hurting the blue population to have a couple of red posts in here, and as is always said... if you don't want to read them, open another thread instead.

What people are doing is the equivalent to downvoting YouTube videos... what does it matter? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And once the new population rises to the 50-60 they will get tired of the toxic environment and come back to blue.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And once the new population rises to the 50-60 they will get tired of the toxic environment and come back to blue.

I'd say try it rather than trolling red threads [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And once the new population rises to the 50-60 they will get tired of the toxic environment and come back to blue.

Honestly I'm all for less "advertising" for red (come on now, we are all aware of it's existence-- its not the abhorrent daily reminders that our bodies aren't ready that caused the surge, it's the xp bonus.) However as a fairly long time casual I can say that blue is about as toxic as it gets, and a large chunk of the population appears to be antisocial as well, very few people want to group. For two weeks ive been playing in FOB and 90% of the people I ask to group give the same lame excuse about being at work and not really paying 100% attention. it's actually kind of a weird trend.