New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2-boxing simply isn't comparable. Live had paid 2-boxing, which required you to buy an extra computer (virtualization didn't really exist back then) and pay for an extra monthly account. Live never allowed free 2-boxing (or free 1-boxing for that matter; SOE liked getting paid).

But obviously we can't have paid 2-boxing here, for legal reasons, so the devs don't allow it. And the devs certainly aren't going to allow free 2-boxing when that was never a part of classic EQ.

Now I got you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing existed in 1999 - it was expensive ( at least to 99% of players), but available and legal.
The log reader program that can do map tracking was technicallypossible, but didn't actually existed. (or at least 99% of people never heard of it)
This puts them in the boat.

So we have Boxing which existed but was uncommon, and we have log-reader-map-builder which if fact didn't existed.

Therefore, neither auto-tracked maps (which were disabled by GMs intentionally), nor log-readers that could produce such a map are part of classical experience.

[HawkMasterson1999]

The forum isn't automated though. If I wanted I could just keep an afk toon hidden at a named mobs spawn and wait for whoever to kill it and log the event. Yes, I could do that without his app but I would have to load up my logs when i got home /find my keywords. With a log app like this you could just check mob spawns on your smartphone. Even if I thought the creator of this particular program was trustworthy there is nothing to stop other people from copying his app and using it ruthlessly.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now I got you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Therefore, neither auto-tracked maps (which were disabled by GMs intentionally), nor log-readers that could produce such a map are part of classical experience.

Agreed. We can never truly have a 100% "classic experience", because nothing can ever truly be like it was 1999. No one is arguing that ahungry's apps (including the auction tracker everyone loves so much) existed back in 1999 . What we're saying is, the EQ server is working (almost) the same as it did in 1999, and so is the client (including the part about it writing logs). Since we can't control anything outside those two, there's no point getting bent out of shape when something outside is different than it was in 1999.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The forum isn't automated though. If I wanted I could just keep an afk toon hidden at a named mobs spawn and wait for whoever to kill it and log the event. Yes, I could do that without his app but I would have to load up my logs when i got home /find my keywords. With a log app like this you could just check mob spawns on your smartphone. Even if I thought the creator of this particular program was trustworthy there is nothing to stop other people from copying his app and using it ruthlessly.

No one needs to copy his app, there are hundreds of other log parsers out there they could copy instead if they want (remember: logs and log parsers have existed since the dawn of Everquest).

And yes, having a computer parse your log for you is faster/easier than using find on the file yourself ... that's kind of the point of having a log parser. It's also been the point for using a log parser for 15 years ... so what exactly is your point there?

[Supaskillz]

@loramin: you don't have to argue with me that this is not against the rules, I never contended that it was. I am merely trying to have a discussion on how we feel such programs and the potential for expanded utilities using logs could impact playing experience and how we feel about that.

The devs do make do make some concessions from classic mechanics. See variance on spawns, ivamders hoops, etc. If they believe it is sufficiently disruptive they can change things and have shown some Willingness to do so.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can they stop you from using programmable keyboards? Hitting a number of the keyboard is all the software would have to do. Does not have to interface with client at all, not sure if this is allowed or detectable if not, but I hope it's not allowed.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@loramin: you don't have to argue with me that this is not against the rules, I never contended that it was. I am merely trying to have a discussion on how we feel such programs and the potential for expanded utilities using logs could impact playing experience and how we feel about that.

I have nothing against a discussion based on relevant facts ... but you entered a discussion about a log parsing map app with a point about programmable keyboards. Those keyboards have nothing whatsoever to do with log parsing map apps, and they are just as banned today as they were before ahungry created the map app.

[no chewie dont]

project1999: "legit" "classic" everquest

i remember when it turned to shit, has something to do with the OP

[loramin]

How many of these flash forwards do you plan on having Chewie?

[Gadwen]

Well I got it to open, but it always gives me an error stating "Error in your GUI XML Files"
The text file it references just says it can't find an XML that is very much there.

[no chewie dont]

hm have you tried uninstalling and never coming back?

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by no chewie dont [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hm have you tried uninstalling and never coming back?

Keep crying, If you keep it up I bet Nilbog will log on and be devastated at the potential loss of an asswipe like yourself and ban the app.