New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[no chewie dont]

Asking a question that you are determined you already knew the answer to; perhaps you are the one trolling

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GTFO. We don't need troll shit like this in every fucking thread of the forums. Some people want to play the game and browse the forums for useful posts.
Aka, Keep it in RNF

Thea not trolling and it does not belong in RnF. It doesn't just parse.... It gives you a working map. Pretty easy to understand this I'm sure you're not retarded irl, at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thea not trolling and it does not belong in RnF. It doesn't just parse.... It gives you a working map. Pretty easy to understand this I'm sure you're not retarded irl, at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Wait, so it is more than just an overlay? Does it change the game files or send information to or from the server in anyway? Based on the OP, it reads parses for loc and updates your position on a map.

[Shamalam]

I still haven't used it, but if I understand correctly, this program:

1. Collects location information from the log file (legal)
2. Overlays that information on a client-side map (legal)
3. Communicates the same information to a 3rd party server so your friends can see your location, too (legal)
4. Does not interact with the game server, game files, or anything else directly related to p99 (legal)

Nobody is getting banned for this. The GMs already gave it their blessing. If you don't like people using it, tough shit. Everything (literally everything) that this program does could've been done the day EQ was released in '99, and it wouldn't have been bannable back then, either.

[no chewie dont]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still haven't used it, but if I understand correctly, this program:

1. Collects location information from the log file (legal)
2. Overlays that information on a client-side map (legal)
3. Communicates the same information to a 3rd party server so your friends can see your location, too (legal)
4. Does not interact with the game server, game files, or anything else directly related to p99 (legal)

Nobody is getting banned for this. The GMs already gave it their blessing. If you don't like people using it, tough shit. Everything (literally everything) that this program does could've been done the day EQ was released in '99, and it wouldn't have been bannable back then, either.

what gms gave their blessing?
server rules clearly state no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage
server devs clearly removed in-game maps
is everyone taking crazy pills?

[Shamalam]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=68

Show me where in the rules it says "no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage" please?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

*Project 1999 does not endorse and is not affiliated with www.ahungry.com or any of the programs or services contained within that site. Please always use caution when browsing the internet, and use any programs you find not hosted on www.project1999.com at your own risk. The statements contained within this post are only valid as they pertain to these programs not getting you banned on Project 1999 for their use.

this, but it doesn't change the fact that nilbog can say, "get that shit out of here"; and it doesn't change the fact that peeps are getting too lazy to learn zone layouts by running through them. don't use the brain, you lose the brain.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by no chewie dont [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what gms gave their blessing?
server rules clearly state no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage
server devs clearly removed in-game maps
is everyone taking crazy pills?

I guess you'd be talking about this:

"Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience."

And I'll admit this is a bit of a grey area, but Derubael already said it was cool. This program doesn't give an "unfair advantage" because it uses information freely available to everyone at any point while playing the game. You could get the same result by binding /loc to a movement key and keeping an eqatlas map open on a second monitor. This program just does it automatically. It is hardly an advantage at all, IMO.

[no chewie dont]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=68

Show me where in the rules it says "no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage" please?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651

Originally Posted by Rogean

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

whos words hold more weight? lord rogean or a new red server guide?

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by rogean

Originally Posted by Rogean
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

1. Not an advantage. The zones never change, anyone who has them memorized would get no benefit from this program at all. Maps are freely available online for anyone who wants them.
2. Not accessing information that is otherwise unavailable. /loc is a built in game feature. Log files are a built in feature. This is the only information the program uses.

I would be pretty surprised if Rogean or any other admin/dev came in and shut this down. It's just not a big deal.