Saraya - level 53 unguilded enchanter - Ninja Looter

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

Nope. I'm pretty sure that they just said it because they were hoping to scoot the punishment, or make themselves look better. It takes a strong person to admit that they made a mistake in the heat of the moment and took something that wasn't theirs.

Honestly, your guild leader is an asshole, but a lot of this could have been avoided I think if he had simply told her that he wasn't interested in helping her with her epic. When you decide to ignore people you start to create drama, and it would not surprise me if he was actually happy this happened, knowing that he would get the item back to the right person, and that he would get to create a bunch of drama and shame some casual player. That's the vibe I get from this.

I'd also like to state that the quote in his signature is probably the bit of this thread that really makes it.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it would not surprise me if he was actually happy this happened, knowing that he would get the item back to the right person, and that he would get to create a bunch of drama and shame some casual player. That's the vibe I get from this.

100%

dunno many established guilds stupid enough to leave an epic mobs corpse unlocked while person who just lost race hovers close by

against server rules or not, most would just keep corpse locked and avoid drama

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

The BDA chanter was there the entire time, she wasn't in the xp group. She was waiting for the corpse to unlock, the second it unlocked saraya swooped in and ninja looted the item. Why is this so hard to understand?

and why shouldn't a ninja looter be named and shamed?? under what wacky scenario can ninja looting be justified. We had no communication with saraya, she never sent a tell to anyone, she never spoke in /say, she just ninja'd the item the second the corpse opened. There is no excuse.

[Kekephee]

But Chest, what about was the enchanter in exp grup

Is impratan details WHY CHANTER WAS NO IN EXP GUP

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But Chest, what about was the enchanter in exp grup

Is impratan details WHY CHANTER WAS NO IN EXP GUP

That's all I've been asking. If there were only 5 BDA people there and the enchanter was there the entire time, why wasn't she in the group? The whole thing is fishy.

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ This.

It sounds like impulse got the better of Saraya. Xp group aside, no idea why the corpse wasn't locked down until BDA chanter showed up, especially with other player(s) in zone. Lesson learned on both sides at least.

I agree. EQ drives people to impulse behavior like this all the time. You camp something for a day or so straight, someone comes in and gets the kill, you can't help but be pissed. You have to step back and pause for a minute before acting in situations like this.

[Susano]

Clearly VT needs to be added to the rotation list if it's this contested. My heart breaks seeing BDA compete when it's clear they abhor such actions.

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's all I've been asking. If there were only 5 BDA people there and the enchanter was there the entire time, why wasn't she in the group? The whole thing is fishy.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER

Maybe in all the excitement of actually seeing VT after staring at the walls of Neriak for 6 days she did not see that the invitation had been sent (depending on the UI this is completely plausible). Nothing fishy about it. Stop reading more into this than there actually is.

If your friend didn't kill the mob and she didn't have permission from the people who did, SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE LOOTED IT. How fucking hard is it to understand this concept really?

[innocent51]

Nothing against BDA here and Saraya always was nice to me and a decent person.

I understand what he did, even tho understandable, was wrong. However the whole starting a thread here calling him ninja looter is a bit hard coming from a well established a numerous guild toward a fresh unguilded player trying to make his way through classic EverQuest.

I mean if she was banned she was very probably wrong and DBA was right. But you guys really should take some distance and drop the pixel rage. We'r like 2000 people playing on an emulated server of our childhood's game. Seriously? Calling people names for forumzerker for a semi rare duoable crap?